WOFM
Freshman
Posts: 92
Reg: 02-24-11
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03-12-11 10:18 AM - Post#100332
In response to jdp 94
I was at Bucknell-Lafayette game last night, sat about twenty feet away from the Bucknell bench. What a pleasure it was watching Dave Paulsen work a game and COACH his kids. Everything Patsos isn’t, this guy is.
I know the Patriot League is not the MAAC, but this is the kind of coach we need: a teacher of basketball who appreciates the ideal of student-athlete. Instead we have a crazed lunatic who recruits well.
As for Pete Gillen, that would not be much different than going after Lefty Dreisell.
But wespearl is right, if he has two years left, he’s going to have to leave on his own, thin ice or not. I doubt he’ll chase an assistant job again, but I am sure he’d consider another DI job that he thinks is better. For some bizarre reason, the media still acts like he’s doing a good job, so let’s hope someone believes the hype (Towson, can you hear me??) and “steals†him away….
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greyhound
Freshman
Posts: 31
Age: 39
Reg: 11-23-09
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03-12-11 03:42 PM - Post#100358
In response to WOFM
Why would you want to bring in someone like Lefty or Pete Gillen? Can someone please explain.
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wespearl
Freshman
Posts: 61
Age: 66
Reg: 01-10-11
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03-12-11 06:49 PM - Post#100402
In response to greyhound
lefty too old,
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WOFM
Freshman
Posts: 92
Reg: 02-24-11
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03-12-11 07:18 PM - Post#100446
In response to greyhound
Guess I needed to add a smiley sarcastic face....I do NOT want Gillen OR Lefty. Point being Gillen is an old has been/barely ever was.
Pretty sure Lefty is not looking to get back in the bizness.....
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bigb
Freshman
Posts: 25
Reg: 01-30-07
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03-18-11 08:51 AM - Post#101736
In response to WOFM
Tough to call a guy whose been to the final 4 a "never was." He also was highly successful at Xavier. UVA he didn't do that well, but you tell me who has in the last 20 years? The guy can flat out coach and is light years better than Patsos, but that's fine another year of meh...sounds awesome.
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WOFM
Freshman
Posts: 92
Reg: 02-24-11
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03-18-11 09:39 PM - Post#101883
In response to bigb
I said "barely ever was" not "never was".
And when was Gillen in a Final Four???
But I would agree he'd be "better than Patsos", but that's a pretty long list.....
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wespearl
Freshman
Posts: 61
Age: 66
Reg: 01-10-11
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03-19-11 09:56 AM - Post#101905
In response to WOFM
Gillen speaks a good game but he was horrible at uva, stick with JIMMY, it is up to players to work hard and perform, talent has been average on the team for a while, next year will be deeper better and older, less selfish, JB was a terrible influence on team, no defense, took bad shots, and got minutes when he shouldn't have, I do fault coach for keeping him on team as long as he did but he didn't have that much talent to work with
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phillyhound
Junior
Posts: 289
Reg: 11-30-06
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03-19-11 11:49 AM - Post#101917
In response to wespearl
The talent is there? We had 1 kid on an All MAAC team. Iona, Rider, and Fairfield all return more talent.
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bigb
Freshman
Posts: 25
Reg: 01-30-07
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03-20-11 10:29 AM - Post#101997
In response to phillyhound
Guess I was thinkin that God Shamgod Providence team was in the final 4 but maybe it was the elite 8.
I think the talent is there whether they play up to their ability is a totally different question. I'm also skeptical on Jimmy developing that talent.
I'm in the dump Jimmy camp. I don't see it. Frankly, he has shown marginal improvement as a coach. His offense is terrible. His players do not improve. His substitution pattern is putrid. He has had 7 years, and has shown very little. If he makes it through the summer, I will be surprised; but he will be on extremely thin ice.
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wespearl
Freshman
Posts: 61
Age: 66
Reg: 01-10-11
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03-20-11 12:17 PM - Post#102007
In response to phillyhound
we were as talented as st peters fairfield iona rider, we played bad agaisnt st peters third game, team will be better, more experienced, we return everyone execept one player, winbush has been out for two years mostly if he can contribute, back up etherly and walker, drummomd hall cormier at shooting guard is okay, drummond also at the three, olson can play point on offense two and three on defense
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jdp 94
Masters Student
Posts: 870
Loc: New York
Reg: 07-20-06
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03-20-11 03:59 PM - Post#102051
In response to wespearl
we were as talented as st peters fairfield iona rider, we played bad agaisnt st peters third game, team will be better, more experienced, we return everyone execept one player, winbush has been out for two years mostly if he can contribute, back up etherly and walker, drummomd hall cormier at shooting guard is okay, drummond also at the three, olson can play point on offense two and three on defense
You want to blame the players, not the coach, for on court performance - yet these kids, according to you, are as talented as the best teams in the conference.
Seems like a contradiction to me. If players are talented and don't perform up to expectation, it's obviously the coach's fault.
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wespearl
Freshman
Posts: 61
Age: 66
Reg: 01-10-11
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03-20-11 08:15 PM - Post#102072
In response to jdp 94
we are close, they just need to get it done, talent is pretty good, inexperienced, when only one team gets in it is tough, next year we will have a better chance, getting rid of coach will set us back
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LoCo2011
Senior
Posts: 399
Age: 35
Reg: 01-05-08
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03-20-11 08:48 PM - Post#102075
In response to wespearl
are you new to this team wespearl?
Last year (Brett Harvey's senior year) was supposed to be our best year because of all the "talent" we had... then this year was also supposed to be another great year with all the "talent" we had and the new "talent" coming in..
This talent just is not as good as you think, bottom line. It's been the same story for the past 4 years.. time for a change..
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wespearl
Freshman
Posts: 61
Age: 66
Reg: 01-10-11
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03-20-11 10:08 PM - Post#102080
In response to LoCo2011
if talent hasn't been that good how can you get on coach all the time, the school is small, we have a good core group coming back, walker etherly olson drummond cormier, winbush if healthy, hall, year before harvey got hurt was ineffective the last two months of season, Barney was mia , winbush was hurt,
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Brian
Senior
Posts: 300
Reg: 07-24-06
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03-21-11 09:16 AM - Post#102099
In response to wespearl
wespearl - I don't know how long you've been following the team. But I've been where you are. I kept thinking "we bring back good talent", "injuries hurt us", "if only ______". The problem is, none of those things change. I agree with you that this team has talent. I thought they were probably the most talented we've had since the Brown/Tuck/Israel senior team. But players just haven't gotten better as they stay. The offense has not developed into something I would call an offense. The play has remained inconsistent from game to game.
I've been a Patsos supporter. And I'll forever be thankful for what he did to take us from laughing stock to where we are now. But I just don't think he's going to get us from where we are now to where we want to be. I think there's been a fear to make a move, looking at it as "it could be worse" instead of "it could get better".
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Brian
Senior
Posts: 300
Reg: 07-24-06
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03-21-11 09:22 AM - Post#102100
In response to Brian
By the way, anyone catch the Temple - San Diego St. game this weekend? Temple used the Loyola offense very effectively to give that game back to SDSU.
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wespearl
Freshman
Posts: 61
Age: 66
Reg: 01-10-11
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03-21-11 09:32 AM - Post#102101
In response to Brian
3 years
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jdp 94
Masters Student
Posts: 870
Loc: New York
Reg: 07-20-06
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03-21-11 09:42 AM - Post#102102
In response to wespearl
3 years
But will you care after your boy graduates! 
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Brian
Senior
Posts: 300
Reg: 07-24-06
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03-21-11 11:08 AM - Post#102109
In response to jdp 94
Hey it only took you 17 years to stop caring and that lasted all of 2 months. Every time you think you're out, they suck you back in!
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Hounds 05
Freshman
Posts: 56
Reg: 01-03-07
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03-21-11 04:57 PM - Post#102138
In response to Brian
It amazes (and pleases) me to no end that there is a regular Loyola basketball hoops board with consistent chatter going on. We haven't been relevant in 17 years, and even that, was a simple birth to the Tournament and 1st round loss.
I love the optimism of the 'we are close' arguements, haha they really funny. Close to what?
However I won't be negative. I'd like nothing more than for Loyola to become a consistent winner. When I mention to my friends there is a 'Hounds board that I check regularly they are stunned, it's great.
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