norcalfan
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Patriot Championship: Lehigh vs Bucknell
03-04-12 10:31 PM - Post#124010
In response to Bison137
See previous message
Edited by norcalfan on 03-04-12 10:37 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Bucknell73
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03-04-12 10:40 PM - Post#124014
In response to Bison137
It's still difficult for me to imagine being s student and lining up for tickets! I just remember walking down to Davis and just walking in for General Admission, even during my frosh year, just to see Jim Wherry and Vic Cegles play. Of course, there wasn't as much at stake in the old Middle Atlantic/ East Coast Conference.
Speaking of Cegles (now AD at Long Beach State), LBS saw its long Conference win streak end this weekend by a defeat by Cal State Fullerton. Now, they face more pressure to win out their tourney.
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Bison54
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03-04-12 11:03 PM - Post#124019
In response to norcalfan
I am not hurt, just sad for the players. In my rush to answer the question, I was not clear. I was simply saying that it is Spring Break and therefore less students will attend because there are none.
Yes, LU had and has great players, but for whatever reason, no one in the LU community is interested. Honestly, I was surprised that they had over 1000 in attendance at this game. Lack of attendance must make it hard to play hard. So far they have done well with no fan support. I can only imagine how much better they would play if they had the attendance of BU. Many of their players come from a rather large high school support base.
I live near Lehigh/Lafayette and get a local paper (Express Times) High school sports, especially wrestling but also HS hoops dominate at this time of year. Usually, LU and LC appear somewhere inside the sports section. Today, they were on the front page (bottom half)which is quite rare. No wonder no one goes to Stabler. LC draws a little better because students and locals can walk. But HS sports rule the Lehigh Valley.
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norcalfan
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03-05-12 12:04 AM - Post#124026
In response to Bison54
I am not hurt, just sad for the players. In my rush to answer the question, I was not clear. I was simply saying that it is Spring Break and therefore less students will attend because there are none.
Yes, LU had and has great players, but for whatever reason, no one in the LU community is interested. Honestly, I was surprised that they had over 1000 in attendance at this game. Lack of attendance must make it hard to play hard. So far they have done well with no fan support. I can only imagine how much better they would play if they had the attendance of BU. Many of their players come from a rather large high school support base.
I live near Lehigh/Lafayette and get a local paper (Express Times) High school sports, especially wrestling but also HS hoops dominate at this time of year. Usually, LU and LC appear somewhere inside the sports section. Today, they were on the front page (bottom half)which is quite rare. No wonder no one goes to Stabler. LC draws a little better because students and locals can walk. But HS sports rule the Lehigh Valley.
Thank goodness they enjoyed high school at least. Thanks for the explanation since I am from the left coast. It still bewilders me that with little fan support, LU could land a CJ!
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sader87
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03-05-12 12:40 AM - Post#124029
In response to norcalfan
Basically, the only school/community that really cares about PL basketball is Bucknell's.
HC cared for a bit during the Willard years but couldn't care less about PL basketball now.
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norcalfan
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Patriot Championship: Lehigh vs Bucknell
03-05-12 12:57 AM - Post#124030
In response to sader87
Basically, the only school/community that really cares about PL basketball is Bucknell's.
HC cared for a bit during the Willard years but couldn't care less about PL basketball now.
Yes it appears so. The one good and I guess most important is that the PL schools offer the young men and women a free and excellent education. At the end of the day, that's what helps them to become productive citizens. The few fans that do support the other schools will continue and BU can continue their proud tradition. Good for BU, sad for the other PL schools. It will be interesting to see how many kids are recruited from different regions over the next few years. Now that I am dialed into the PL, it will be a nice stat to watch.
Edited by norcalfan on 03-05-12 12:59 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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MrPhillie
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03-05-12 09:02 AM - Post#124039
In response to norcalfan
I know each school has its supporters academically, but the truth is, each school in the PL offers an excellent education. Some are thought of a bit more highly, but it is hard to go wrong with any of these schools. That said, I would think the amount of support for a team is a definite consideration when prospective players are choosing where to go. It may not be a major reason, but it certainly could be the tipping point for a player considering several schools. Factor in facilities, administration support, and recent successes, and Bucknell becomes probably the most desirable choice. With a decent coaching staff, the Bison should always be challenging for the PL title.
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BisonRoadWarrior
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03-05-12 01:26 PM - Post#124102
In response to norcalfan
Nice Daily Item article by Bill Bowman, looking ahead to the highly-anticipated Lehigh-Bucknell finale.
http://dailyitem.com/0200_sports/x11251059 02/Mens-...
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BisonRoadWarrior
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03-05-12 01:29 PM - Post#124103
In response to MouserDZ
And four hours after they went on sale, only 2 remain. Oops..in the time it took me to write that, make it ONE remaining.
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Bison137
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03-05-12 01:39 PM - Post#124106
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
Now sold out (again) - at least for the moment. LU will not sell the allocation they still have, however, so there may be more available Wednesday.
I have access to some tickets. If anyone still needs to purchase some, send me a PM. (Click on my user-name and then click on "start a private topic".)
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raymondbucknell
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03-05-12 05:09 PM - Post#124173
In response to Bison137
Gee, I wonder if Housenick will pick Lehigh to win.....?
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BisonRoadWarrior
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Patriot Championship: Lehigh vs Bucknell
03-05-12 05:20 PM - Post#124180
In response to raymondbucknell
Sagarin ranks Lehigh #97 and Bucknell #105...with home court, however, it indicates the Bison are a 2.9-point favorite.
Neither realtimerpi nor rpiforecast have a prediction for this game. Does anyone know KenPom's?
Edited by BisonRoadWarrior on 03-05-12 05:37 PM. Reason for edit: corrected Sagarin math
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Bison137
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03-05-12 05:36 PM - Post#124193
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
Pomeroy has BU as a 3 point favorite - slightly less than the value of the home court.
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bison63
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03-05-12 07:11 PM - Post#124241
In response to Bison137
This game is an out and out tossup. You do not have to be crazy or an LU advocate to pick LU to win. If we show up with anything other than our best, LU will win.
I am not sure which team is the more highly motivated, but that will be key as well. You know last year's Super Bowl Champ always says they are no less motivated this year, but somehow more often than not they do not repeat. This is not the same thing, but sometimes the motivation created by just getting aced out one year can exceed the motivation of just wanting to get back.
It all comes down to what DP said in the postgame on Saturday. The Bison have to actively, aggressively make it happen, they can't sit back waiting for it to happen. If we are the aggressor, we should be ok. Slow start could be fatal.
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atlantabison
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Re: Patriot Championship: Lehigh vs Bucknell
03-05-12 07:56 PM - Post#124253
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
Sagarin ranks Lehigh #97 and Bucknell #105...with home court, however, it indicates the Bison are a 2.9-point favorite.
Neither realtimerpi nor rpiforecast have a prediction for this game. Does anyone know KenPom's?
While rpiforecast does not have a score prediction, it does list BU as 59.94% chance to get the auto bid and LU as 40.04% chance. At this point I am very happy with anything over 50-50 which is where I am leaning when looking at this game.
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KenZ
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03-05-12 10:11 PM - Post#124296
In response to atlantabison
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/cb-gOwL4wmrLFN7 gVaAV...
Paulsen interview re PL championsip game
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HuskyColonial
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03-05-12 10:39 PM - Post#124320
In response to KenZ
I remember many days back in the late 80's and early 90's where Davis Gym, that sat 2200, was more than half empty for competitive league games.
I think interest and passion are somewhat cyclical.
That said, if Colgate wins the PL Championship, and there is no one there to see, does anyone make a sound?
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BisonRoadWarrior
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Patriot Championship: Lehigh vs Bucknell
03-05-12 11:01 PM - Post#124327
In response to bison63
sometimes the motivation created by just getting aced out one year can exceed the motivation of just wanting to get back.
True...and in the American-Lafayette broadcast, they quoted McCollum as saying that the loss in last year's semifinal was fueling him all season long.
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bison63
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03-06-12 08:28 AM - Post#124388
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
Watched 4 championship games last night, and every one went down to the wire, 2 went to OT, and 1 to double ot. No reason not to expect a similar game on Wednesday night.
Go get it Bison, no sitting back on your heels!
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mattie g
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Re: Patriot Championship: Lehigh vs Bucknell
03-06-12 10:01 AM - Post#124407
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
sometimes the motivation created by just getting aced out one year can exceed the motivation of just wanting to get back.
True...and in the American-Lafayette broadcast, they quoted McCollum as saying that the loss in last year's semifinal was fueling him all season long.
I saw McCollum say "one more" to one of the Lehigh players who was subbed out near the end of the game. I know Lehigh is motivated and has arguably the best player this league has seen in some time, but we'll have a lot to say about what happens tomorrow.
I agree that this game is a toss up, but if we play the kind of defense we did against Lafayette then I can't see us not winning this game. That's a big "if," of course, but I think we're in a really good offensive rhythm and will do our job on that end of the floor. Defense will be the thing that will determine the champion.
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