SomeGuy
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01-13-15 09:23 PM - Post#179577
In response to Mike Porter
Well, that's another question altogether. But we have to start somewhere. It will take us years to catch up, unless we get extremely lucky with a high major level recruit.
Frankly, I think we'll need Harvard to misstep (and/or Amaker to leave) as well. We could beat Harvard for recruits when we were the better at basketball. Now Harvard is where you go to play in (and win) tourney games, along with having academic and fin aid advantages. We have a huge mountain to climb, and we'll have to get lucky, like they did when Dunphy left.
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SomeGuy
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01-13-15 09:27 PM - Post#179578
In response to Silver Maple
And I don't disagree about the coach. I've had reservations from the outset (so much so that I didn't believe it when I first heard rumors he would take over).
But I think progress needs to start now, regardless of who the coach is.
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penn nation
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01-13-15 09:42 PM - Post#179581
In response to rbg
It should be noted that this game finally changed for the better in the 2nd half once Hicks stopped taking every shot and started involving his teammates.
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Silver Maple
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01-13-15 10:01 PM - Post#179583
In response to penn nation
Still plenty of time to p1ss it away.
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penn nation
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01-13-15 10:04 PM - Post#179584
In response to Silver Maple
If Hicks isn't careful, he'll foul out with a few minutes to play. Howard's already out, so got to be smart here.
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SomeGuy
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01-13-15 10:18 PM - Post#179586
In response to penn nation
Nice to see Foreman and Woods hit free throws and control the ball down the stretch with the lead.
Every road win is a good win.
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rbg
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01-13-15 10:39 PM - Post#179593
In response to SomeGuy
Very good second half. Good to see them get so many FT and actually hit a high percentage. Balanced scoring, solid rebounding and improved shooting with a low number of turnovers.
I wish they could find a way to cut down on the fouls and increase the number of made three pointers, though.
Hopefully they can carry the positives to Saturday's game with Villanova.
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SomeGuy
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01-13-15 10:55 PM - Post#179594
In response to rbg
I probably have too much faith in the ORAT numbers, particularly with a small sample size, but i think Sam Jones has to play more.
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oldschoolbb54
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01-14-15 01:28 AM - Post#179602
In response to SomeGuy
It is nice to see foreman adjusting to the college level.
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Charlie Fog
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Re: Tony Hicks—enough already
01-14-15 08:33 AM - Post#179604
In response to fdiapmf
Exactly. And also remember Dunphy blew his fair share of leads against Princeton also.
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palestra38
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Re: Tony Hicks—enough already
01-14-15 10:09 AM - Post#179605
In response to Charlie Fog
He did? He certainly blew one of the largest leads, but Dunphy's teams were 20-15 against Princeton (after a 1-5 start with the team he inherited) and these were some of Princeton's best teams ever. Jerome is 2-9 against Princeton, which has not been nearly as strong in this era. I don't think this is much of a defense for Jerome.
Oh, and by the way, Glen Miller was 5-1 against Princeton.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Tony Hicks—enough already
01-14-15 10:48 AM - Post#179608
In response to palestra38
I really only recall the one blown lead against Princeton under Dunphy (though it was a doozy). But we also came back from down 17 with about 7 to go against them, so it seems like that more or less evens out.
Miller mainly got lucky -- those were some historically weak Princeton teams.
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10Q
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01-14-15 10:53 AM - Post#179609
In response to SomeGuy
I admire the persistence of Penn fans in continuing to post about this and past teams. And I admire my own persistence in continuing to glance at these posts. WE DESERVE BETTER.
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Jeff2sf
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Re: Tony Hicks—enough already
01-14-15 11:17 AM - Post#179610
In response to SomeGuy
and two of those wins were with ibby's senior year. A trained chimp could have coached them - hey guys, what do you think we should do here? Get the ball to Zoller and/or Ibby? Ok, Penn on 3, 1, 2,3 PENN!
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palestra38
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Re: Tony Hicks—enough already
01-14-15 12:03 PM - Post#179612
In response to Jeff2sf
True, but he went 3-1 with his own players as freshmen and sophs, inherited by Jerome who went 1-5 with the same players...and 1-4 since.
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penn nation
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Re: Tony Hicks—enough already
01-14-15 12:08 PM - Post#179613
In response to palestra38
The record against Princeton is Exhibit A and the only one that's needed to say genug--enough with JA.
Lovie Smith was a good coach for the Bears and early on held his own against GB. But eventually the tide turned and when you can no longer beat your primary rival anywhere close to 50% of the time, it is time to find someone else.
Especially, as has been noted, when beating Princeton should no longer be as arduous as it once was.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Tony Hicks—enough already
01-14-15 04:46 PM - Post#179625
In response to penn nation
Not as arduous, but Princeton has been on a pretty good run since Joe Scott departed. Six straight top three finishes (though only one NCAA appearance in that time). Penn has one top three finish in that time.
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palestra38
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Re: Tony Hicks—enough already
01-14-15 05:01 PM - Post#179627
In response to SomeGuy
It helps that they beat us twice every year, even when, as this year, we should have blown them out of the building.
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SRP
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01-14-15 05:30 PM - Post#179632
In response to palestra38
Thanks for spotting us last year's game in the Palestra, but I'd still rather stick with reality.
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palestra38
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Tony Hicks—enough already
01-14-15 05:56 PM - Post#179633
In response to SRP
My point is that 2-9 is the reality. Our prior 2 coaches were 25-16. That's a reality too. He was trying to make me feel better by saying that Penn looked good through 27 minutes. That isn't reality.
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