Chet Forte
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 10-10-16 04:02 PM - Post#211394
Bergen Catholic PG, 6'2" 2.5 stars has given a verbal commit;
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Chet Forte
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10-10-16 04:03 PM - Post#211395
In response to Chet Forte
Also offered by Penn among others; excellent get.
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hoopsfan
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10-10-16 09:42 PM - Post#211409
In response to Chet Forte
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKcltpRD0J0
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Columbia 37P6
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10-11-16 02:07 PM - Post#211424
In response to hoopsfan
I am excited that another very talented Bergen Catholic HS student athlete will be coming to Columbia. Great school. Great Coaches.
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LionFan
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10-11-16 03:45 PM - Post#211427
In response to Columbia 37P6
Looks like he can drive both ways and finish with either hand, score from the perimeter, and defend passing lanes well. I like his mid-range jumper off the dribble. It's becoming a lost art in the US. What you lose in points, you make up in shooting percentage.
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mrjames
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10-11-16 04:44 PM - Post#211430
In response to LionFan
That's the thing, though. The reason the mid-range is dying is because you don't come close to making up the points.
Last year, the average 3PT% was 34.7% while the average jumper make rate was about 36%. You'd need that to be north of 50% for it to be worth it to the average player. There are case-by-case exceptions to this, but they are the exception, not the rule, and the rule is: don't take mid-range shots unless you have to.
As for Stefanini, he's a proven scorer and producer on the offensive end. That has a lot of value. The key question will be can he defend at the Division I level. If he can passably, he'll be a plus player in our league.
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LionFan
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10-11-16 06:48 PM - Post#211434
In response to mrjames
Mr. James, if he were an average shooter I'd agree, but he seems to be a bit above. I disagree with you generally for other reasons. Statistics aside, a one-dimensional spot-up shooter is a lot easier to defend at the perimeter than one who also has the ability to fake, drive and pull up. That skill not only gets a few 2-pointers, it also can loosen the perimeter defense for some 3-pointers. And it's much more interesting to watch, at least from this fan's perspective. Nothing worse than watching an offense that shoots the three or bumps and grinds underneath with little in between.
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Chet Forte
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 10-11-16 07:02 PM - Post#211435
In response to LionFan
I am not surprised that mrjames is talking down the midrange shot and thus indirectly the skills of our latest recruit. I have come to conclude that this otherwise savvy observer of the Ivy basketball scene is generally negative on Columbia basketball. I also disagree on the merits.
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mrjames
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Gabriele Stefanini commit
10-11-16 07:36 PM - Post#211437
In response to Chet Forte
That's all well and good, but odd coming from Columbia fans. Your team has been 3rd, 2nd and 1st nationally over the past three years in the lowest percentage of 2pt jumpers taken, and not coincidentally has posted far and away the three most efficient offensive outputs for a Lions team in the modern era. The season prior to that impressive run Columbia wasn't even in the Top 100 fewest 2pt jumpers taken.
Princeton's been adopting the same strategy recently (posting some top three finishes nationally as well) and posting similarly impressive offensive results (though they'be historically been more inclined for 3s and layups).
I'm not criticizing your team, but applauding your previous coach for aggressively pursuing a very effective strategy.
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nychoops
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Reg: 11-23-04
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10-12-16 09:20 AM - Post#211449
In response to mrjames
Without getting into this debate the one point mrjames brings up that is getting lost is can this young man defend on this level..having seen him play a few times he might have serious issues both keeping the ball in front of him and defending any type of pick/roll...I wish him nothing but success on and off the court
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Chet Forte
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10-12-16 07:21 PM - Post#211467
In response to nychoops
I have no idea as to whether he will play good defense at the college level but the recruiting services show him as having gotten bigger. He is listed as 6'3" and 196. He describes himself as a combo guard.
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Dr. V
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10-14-16 02:16 PM - Post#211530
In response to Chet Forte
It's hard to argue with Mr. James' stats. And it's pretty obvious that a stationary 2 point shooter, unless he shoots an extraordinary %, can't compete re productivity with a reasonably decent 3 point shooter.
That said, I wonder to what extent, if any, a solid pull up jump shooter might help disrupt a defense, i.e., although he may not individually be able to compensate for the value of 3s with his 2s, might it not be the case that a jump shooter who likes to drive and then pull up might disrupt the D and open up better opportunities for his teammates whether for layups or 3s. Just wondering.
Re Stefanini's D, I watched him in a number of scrimmages, both at our summer camp against other players his age and then against our guys who were working the camp, and he seemed to play pretty good D. He seemed to stay with players he was guarding and he seemed to have very good hands that were able to dart in and create steals or at least TOs.
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SRP
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10-14-16 02:38 PM - Post#211532
In response to Dr. V
Kyrie Irving of the Cavs showed the awesome power of the pull-up two-pointer in the NBA playoffs. But he seemed to be hitting better than 50% of his tries, many were pretty late in the shot clock, and his finishing threat at the rim earned him a few extra inches of space to get it off.
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Chet Forte
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10-14-16 05:05 PM - Post#211541
In response to SRP
One problem with the analysis which doesn't show up in the stat sheet is the impact of a cold spell in which the three point shots just will not fall. The pull up jumper is a high percentage shot less prone to successive misses. I have seen too many Columbia games in which we go 7 or 8 minutes and keep on missing threes.
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SomeGuy
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10-14-16 09:08 PM - Post#211547
In response to Chet Forte
Well, I agree that 3s are prone to higher variance. That is part of why Smith's teams had some unexpected blowout wins and losses.
However, I don't think that it is true that pull-up 2s provide much less variance. The percentages are actually pretty similar between 2 and 3 point jumpers, so I don't think pull-up 2s are any more consistent.
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skiba34
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10-15-16 11:31 PM - Post#211556
In response to SomeGuy
Can someone update me on the recent recruits. Is this the first under Coach Engles?
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Dr. V
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10-16-16 06:40 AM - Post#211558
In response to skiba34
If you're asking about the class of '17 recruits, which is the first true class of Engles' recruits, it includes:
Jaron Faulds, a 6'10" combo 4/5 considered a top 10 kid in MI.
Myles Hanson, a 6'5" or 6'6" wing (a 2/3) considered a top 10 kid in MN.
Gabriele (Gabe) Stefanini, a 6'3" combo 1/2 who is Italian, i.e., an actual Italian rather than an Italian American, who is spending his last two years of h.s. in the U.S. at Bergen Catholic in NJ. He was on the Italian 16 and under team that competed in the European championship.
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skiba34
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10-17-16 12:38 PM - Post#211593
In response to Dr. V
Yes, thank you.
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