penn nation
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01-03-17 02:00 PM - Post#217251
In response to PennFan10
Very, very impressive.
First Ivy freshman to be so honored this year--all but two of the POWs to this point have been seniors, with the remaining two being juniors.
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Penndemonium
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01-03-17 03:09 PM - Post#217258
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It seems to me that Brodeur should have won POW outright, but they wouldn't give it to a Rookie. No disrespect at all to Cook, who seems like he actually should have won it the prior week with monster performances against much better teams.
I doubt Cook would argue that his performances against Hampton (1 FG) and Cal Poly were a good measure of the best Ivy basketball for the league.
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penn nation
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01-03-17 03:19 PM - Post#217260
In response to Penndemonium
It was a year or two ago (I forget when) when some Princeton player won either ROW or POW on the basis of a performance against a DIII school.
It's bad enough they post these "wins" when you look at their overall records, but when you start winning awards based on these glorified scrimmages it's a bit ridiculous.
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Silver Maple
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01-03-17 03:37 PM - Post#217262
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Ooh-- ooh!! Is the annual observance of Bashing-Princeton-for-Pla ying-a-DIII-Team? If so count me in. I always look forward to this. Also, when will we celebrate Making-Fun-of-Levien-Gym? That's probably my favorite tradition.
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penn nation
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01-03-17 04:23 PM - Post#217264
In response to Silver Maple
For further details....
ROW?
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penn nation
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01-03-17 05:19 PM - Post#217270
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Kramer wins IL POW
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Penndemonium
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01-03-17 05:47 PM - Post#217275
In response to penn nation
Really, I wasn't bashing Princeton's scheduling. Penn was ranked as low as Cal Poly is just a couple of years ago. Everyone needs to fill their schedule, and lower ranked schools still need good competition.
I was just saying that games against these teams (and only scoring 1 FG in one of them) doesn't seem like Cook's Ivy League POW signature moment. Dropping 30 against Monmouth and 17 on Bucknell in the prior week seems far more impressive.
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penn nation
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01-03-17 06:02 PM - Post#217277
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I wasn't bashing Princeton's scheduling this year, either (well, except for the annual you know what which "counts" in their record).
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Silver Maple
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01-03-17 10:31 PM - Post#217298
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Personally, I love bashing Princeton's annual D3 tilt. Their fans get so defensive.
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penn nation
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01-03-17 11:33 PM - Post#217299
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I have nothing against the game per se. I do have everything against the way they include the result in their W-L stats.
Look, Penn played a DII team this year. It was an exhibition, which is exactly what the Princeton game is for all intents and purposes. Penn won this game, but you won't even see as much as a result, let alone a box score on Penn's official sites about it (you can find all of that information, by the way, from its opponent). And you certainly won't see this counted among Penn's victories.
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mbaprof
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Re: Brodeur
01-26-17 09:12 AM - Post#219477
In response to Penndemonium
What do you guys think after last nite? Almost a top ten all time PENN scoring record
SCORING, let alone for a freshman (anyone have any idea who had that record?), plus add in all the blocks and misdirects
We were there, awesome performance
Pts. ... Player vs. Opponent, Date
47 ... Ernie Beck vs. Duke, 12/30/1952
45 ... Ernie Beck vs. Harvard, 2/6/1952
44 ... Hassan Duncombe vs. Navy, 12/8/1989
37 ... Matt Maloney vs. American, 1/13/1993
37 ... Hassan Duncombe vs. Colgate, 1/20/1990
37 ... Keven McDonald vs. St. Bonaventure, 3/12/1978
37 ... Stan Pawlak vs. La Salle, 1/12/1966
36 ... Matt Maloney vs. Brown, 2/4/1995
36 ... Keven McDonald vs. Yale, 2/10/1978
36 ... Stan Pawlak vs. Pitt, 12/28/1964
35 AJ BRODEUR vs Lasalle 1/25/2017
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TheLine
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Brodeur
01-26-17 09:21 AM - Post#219479
In response to mbaprof
For a guy who had a body for beer league softball, Duncombe was a real good basketball player. He's vastly unappreciated due to the lack of quality around him on those Schneider era teams.
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10Q
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01-26-17 09:40 AM - Post#219482
In response to TheLine
Didn't he leave after sophomore year?
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TheLine
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01-26-17 09:43 AM - Post#219484
In response to 10Q
He didn't play 4 years. I think TAFKADW knows more of the details.
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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01-26-17 10:08 AM - Post#219486
In response to TheLine
I'm too lazy to look this up, so this is all from my fast-failing memory. Please feel free to correct me.
Pretty sure Duncombe came in with Jerry Simon and Ben Spiva. Their freshmen year was either Phil Pitts' senior year ('87-'88) or perhaps the year after he graduated. (I think the former since I doubt Freshman Duncombe and Simon beat Nova at home.)
That crew was recruited by Schneider but only played one or two years with him. Schneider was canned after the '88-''89 season. The Spiva Dive-a Line transferred to Memphis State (he was from Tennessee). I think the '89-'90 season was Hoss's last as a player. Although he could fill it up from the elbow on in, he apparently trained on cheesesteaks and beer, which did not meet Dunphy's standards.
I recall a game at Yale in 1990 in which Penn seemingly ran the same play all game. Yale played zone. Jerry Simon fed Duncombe in a seam in the zone and Hoss just kept plunking in 16-footer after 16-footer. Like clockwork. Don't know how many points he scored in that game, but we won by a comfortable margin.
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penn nation
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01-26-17 10:14 AM - Post#219491
In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
His freshman year was my senior year at Penn ('87-'88). He was the most happy to go lucky guy I saw on campus--very down to earth and super nice.
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palestra38
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01-26-17 10:24 AM - Post#219493
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Here's Big Hoss on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassan-duncombe-20 9718...
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TheLine
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01-26-17 10:48 AM - Post#219498
In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
Your supposedly failing memory is eerily accurate. My memory has mostly failed so had to look it up and everything you said is correct.
Schneider's teams never had a losing record in conference. While that might say more about the quality of Ivy play back then, it also shows how standards of acceptability have changed.
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palestra38
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01-26-17 11:23 AM - Post#219501
In response to TheLine
Schneider was not fired solely for poor performance. Personal issues, combined with the transfer out of significant players and subsequent inability to recruit (which caused Dunphy to have to bring in football players when he took over) were more of a factor.
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Silver Maple
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01-26-17 11:25 AM - Post#219502
In response to palestra38
My recollection is that Schneider wasn't the sweetest guy in the world, even by the standard of college basketball coaches.
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