bison63
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11-20-17 02:37 PM - Post#237029
Anybody planning on going to this one? I got tix yesterday, although I was surprised to find that no good seats were available on line. Mine are in section 108 which is one of the corner sections.
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Re: Stony Brook game
11-20-17 03:28 PM - Post#237038
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I was planning on going - can't imagine anything worse than the allocation UoM provided us. I bought two tickets from Bucknell for $20 each that were so atrocious I didn't use. There were Stubhub tickets available for $2 that were better than the ones I bought. Then I got complimentary tickets and they were the same as the first two. Bucknell's ticket office should have advised BU Alumni that the UoM allocation was crap and returned them. Thanks for advising so I can get on it now.
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11-23-17 04:49 PM - Post#237484
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Old Bison, in which section did you end up getting tix. Did you do better than Sec 108? If so, what is the secret? Anywhere I looked for tix they were only offering 108, 112 and anothe less desirable section, and I am sure they are not close to a sellout. There is a pic inNewsday today of their win overBrown last night and there were plenty of empty seats.
Seats weren’t cheap either.
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11-23-17 06:03 PM - Post#237487
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108 - only thing I'm seeing on Stubhub or whatever. Will try again in the morning as I think I got the whole family and my nother in law
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11-23-17 07:05 PM - Post#237489
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I’m 108 row e ( or maybe it’s f) seats 3&4.
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11-23-17 10:12 PM - Post#237495
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What’s the word on Stony Brook? Should be a win correct?
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11-23-17 10:27 PM - Post#237496
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Z What’s the word on Stony Brook? Should be a win correct?
Bison have a good shot IF they play well. Otherwise they could easily lose. Pomeroy makes the Bison a 4-point favorite. SB lost by 15 points at Marland and by 8 points at UConn.
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11-23-17 10:38 PM - Post#237497
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Actually the Md game was on Long Island, but not at SBU. It was played at the newly refurbished Nassau Colisseum. So it was a semi home game for SBU. If Bison shoot like we did vs Ball St, they could lose, but it is a “should win†for sure.
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11-24-17 08:20 AM - Post#237506
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ESPN gives the Bison a 62% chance of winning.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketba ll/game?g...
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11-24-17 10:36 AM - Post#237514
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Pomeroy has it at 63% with a predicted score of 79-75. Fwiw, we have not “held†anybody to 75 points this season.
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11-24-17 10:52 AM - Post#237515
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I’ll just add the obvious
1. It’s as road game...they’re all tough
2. Like Monmouth, SB is a program that has had recent success...King Rice had a good game plan
3. If you don’t shoot it well you can lose any game against a decent/quality club
4. We won’t score 29 or 39 from the line on the road
5. We got 1-2 guys out and 1 possibly playing impaired
Bottom line is we need to play 40 minutes...can’t dial it in in the 1st half. We’ll be ok
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11-24-17 11:08 AM - Post#237517
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OB, I think that the keys are DEFENSE and FTs. This team needs to start playing much better D if they want to achieve anything, and the FTs need to continue to go in as they have the past 2 games.
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11-24-17 11:31 AM - Post#237518
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I was just about to make came comment 89...
Arkansas game aside, the difference in being 5-1 or 4-2 rather than 2-4 hasn't been our shooting, it's been our FTs & perimeter defense. I think our perimeter d has been the biggest issue regardless of how the other team is shooting bc it also affects our rebounding. We're getting beat on the boards bc we're not closing out on the shooters & not in position to box out.
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11-24-17 12:03 PM - Post#237520
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I'm confident we are going to beat Stonybrook handily. We are on a two game winning streak and things are starting to come together for the team. Nana has got his legs and Zach and Stephen are playing well. Bruce Moore is reaching the curve and playing well. Kimbal is healing up and will be a factor. Not to Mention a strong bench. Bucknell by 25.
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11-24-17 12:46 PM - Post#237523
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As a rule imo, this team has not been as good as we had hoped. This was to be one of the all time great teams that would win one or two game vs power conference teams. Instead we have been just not quite good enough (Mon, NC, and Md, and I think all agree we should have won at least 2 of these 3), or barely good enough (Ball St). There will be games like Ball, when it just does not seem to be happening, and if that game was an anomaly i’d be fine, but we have had a string of games, any one of which can be rationalized, starting withTowson. Once again imo, the missing ingredient has been K-Mac. He is obviously not right, and until he is this team will not reach its full potential.
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Stony Brook game
11-24-17 01:00 PM - Post#237525
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I am not down on the team but yeah, I expected to win another game or two at this point. To me the biggest causes for the losses are glaring: defense and rebounding. Including the Towson scrimmage, the Bison are giving up 89 points...ON AVERAGE! There is no way this can continue, and I don’t care what the pace of play is. That is too much pressure on offense. No way we can average 90-95 ppg in order to make up for bad defense. Perimeter defense hasn’t been good but the interior defense hasn’t been a lot better, overall. I get we played some big and athletic teams but that isn’t the entire story. I am willing my to bet that Coach Davis and staff are not happy with giving up 89 ppg no matter who the opponents. Until these two areas are shored up, this team will not reach the lofty heights they expect from themselves, let alone what media and fans thought were reachable.
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11-24-17 01:29 PM - Post#237529
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I consider the 2004-05 Bison one of the great all-time teams and they started 3-4 with losses to Princeton, St Francis (PA), Iowa State and Penn and wins over Northern Colorado, Rider and Stephen F Austin. My hopes remain high for a team that was up 15 at Maryland and down 1 in the second half at #9 UNC.
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11-25-17 12:12 PM - Post#237559
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Possible games of interest to readers of this board: Football...LU at StonyBrook in FCS round 1 game, Basketball...VT AT Yale in a game that should give us an idea of how VT looks on the road against a fairly strong mid major. Both games on ESPN3 at 2pm.
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11-25-17 01:12 PM - Post#237560
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Bucknell Game Article:
http://www.bucknellbison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_O...
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11-25-17 04:13 PM - Post#237573
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Can I watch ESPN3 games on demand? There is a little conflict called the E-A-G-L-E-S! We have about 20 people coming over, and Mrs. Bison89 would not be happy if I snuck into my home office to watch the Bison play.
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11-25-17 04:51 PM - Post#237576
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Yes you can watch on demand at least for a Lyle while after the game ends.
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11-25-17 06:19 PM - Post#237584
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Is that Dirty Lyle as played by Ernest Borgnine in the movie Convoy?
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bison63
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11-25-17 07:07 PM - Post#237588
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Let’s try “littleâ€
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11-26-17 03:57 PM - Post#237953
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A lot of open looks missed in the 1st 8 minutes, but thankfully the defense picked up and Zach took over.
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11-26-17 04:27 PM - Post#237954
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Wow, where would we be without Zach?
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11-26-17 04:31 PM - Post#237955
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Can’t see it. Is the D improved?
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11-26-17 04:37 PM - Post#237956
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I’m listening, but stat-wise we are even on the boards at least and have a few less turnovers. Sestina getting a lot of minutes due to some Nana foul troubles, but shooting just 3-10 and is having some difficulty on D according to Doug. Also, Kimbal yet to make a basket.
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11-26-17 05:06 PM - Post#237961
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Zach's stat line has to be one of the best in bucknell history.
38 pts
11 rbs
7 assts
3 steals
13/13 free throws
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11-26-17 05:08 PM - Post#237963
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Zach with a monster game. Nana continues to struggle. Bruce and Jimmy continue to improve. I thought the bison would win this one easier than they did but it's a win. The rotation appears to be shrinking a bit as well.
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11-26-17 05:17 PM - Post#237968
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Man, can’t do much more than Zach is doing so far this season. Nana, Stephen and Sestina struggled shooting the ball and it would be helpful for Nana to get more than 4-5 boards. And we still have yet to get a ton from Kimbal. So all in all, a win is a win and there were certainly some good things to take away. My son and I are making the drive to St. Joe’s and looking forward to that as well as the Vermont game on Saturday.
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11-26-17 05:31 PM - Post#237971
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Kimbal is not a 100% and not sure how long it will be. The injury is effecting his game without a doubt.
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11-26-17 06:31 PM - Post#237979
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Even with Kimball at not full strength when we needed a big basket to break the run he came through. I think he's actually playing very well at this point, it's just not showing up in the box score. Plus if Zach is going off for 30+ we don't really need Kimball to carry a lot on the offensive end.
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11-26-17 06:43 PM - Post#237980
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Zach with a monster game. Nana continues to struggle. Bruce and Jimmy continue to improve. I thought the bison would win this one easier than they did but it's a win. The rotation appears to be shrinking a bit as well.
Have to disagree about Bruce in this one. Despite his ten points he was a key factor in our being down early in the game, which I attended. Too many giveaways, including one on an inbound pass and one on an attempt to save a ball heading out of bounds off SBU. There were others. Don’t get me wrong, I like the kid, and he partially redeemed himself with the 3’s but had we lost l’d have laid the blame on him.
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11-26-17 08:19 PM - Post#237984
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I totally get that Kimbal is not 100% and I’m sure he is frustrated at not being able to play like he knows he can play. I don’t think it is a secret that he is not able to contribute in a way that when healthy he is able to contribute. Today we didn’t need his points but a healthy Kimbal and even an average Kimbal game could’ve been the difference in the Monmouth and Maryland games. But it is what it is, injuries happen. Hopefully he can get back to his typical self soon.
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11-26-17 09:58 PM - Post#237993
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Zach with a monster game. Nana continues to struggle. Bruce and Jimmy continue to improve. I thought the bison would win this one easier than they did but it's a win. The rotation appears to be shrinking a bit as well.
Have to disagree about Bruce in this one. Despite his ten points he was a key factor in our being down early in the game, which I attended. Too many giveaways, including one on an inbound pass and one on an attempt to save a ball heading out of bounds off SBU. There were others. Don’t get me wrong, I like the kid, and he partially redeemed himself with the 3’s but had we lost l’d have laid the blame on him.
It wasn't one of Bruce's better games. Made several mistakes both on and defense. I'm confident he'll settle down and play better next time out.
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11-26-17 10:13 PM - Post#237995
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Agree that it is obvious Kimbal is not healthy. Nice to see him hit that late 3 though and it sure is nice to have Sotos to take some of his minutes while he heals. Not a knock on Nana, but Zach is looking like the possible PL POY so far. A nice luxury to have! And how about that free throw shooting by him and his teammates! Solid win on the road.
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11-27-17 12:14 AM - Post#238005
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So far Zach is ABSOLUTELY POY. Today he was a one man team, something which I hope will not be necessary for him to have to be in the future. Stephen could not hit anything today and Sestina missed more than one bunny.
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11-27-17 12:32 AM - Post#238006
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One more thing, we moved from Pomeroy #81 to #73 as a result of today’s action.
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11-27-17 12:50 AM - Post#238010
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Winning is huge. Let’s keep it up.
Why hasn’t Kimball been rested if he’s hurt? IF you’re on the court at less than 100%, next man up.
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11-27-17 08:39 AM - Post#238016
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Avi Toomer's injury limits flexibility, especially on the defensive side. Jimmy Sotos is needed for more well deserved minutes because of Kimbal's injury (as well as Avi's). Matt O'Reilly is also seeing more time. Kudos to Kimbal for being able to play through his.
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11-27-17 10:20 AM - Post#238036
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Luckily they have an 11 day break for finals with no games. Hopefully, Kimbal will be healthier coming out of the break. They have three tough games before starting PL play.
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11-27-17 10:24 AM - Post#238037
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One more thing, we moved from Pomeroy #81 to #73 as a result of today’s action.
Yep. For all the concern expressed about who didn't play well and what didn't go right, this was another game that I think has to be considered a good win. No, we can't rely on Zach to do what he did yesterday every game but the good news is we won't have to. It's a long season, every game is different, other guys will show up.
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11-27-17 11:04 AM - Post#238050
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Totally agree Res. This was a good win vs a good team on the road, and while after the first few minutes we were in command all the way, the game was not easy. SBU kept coming back every time we threatened to pull away. OTOH, we always had an answer when they closed to 5 or 6.
As an aside, like the Bison, SBU has done a good job creating a fun atmosphere within the arena during games.
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11-27-17 11:09 AM - Post#238052
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Zach will have a few more games like he just did before the season is out. Nana is going to show up big come patriot league play, and Kimbal and Avi will be back also, so we could run the tables come league play.
Nana doesn't seem as comfortable positionally as he was last year. He's using too much energy thinking about where he needs to be in the scheme and less just gripping it and shooting. Has something changed from last year that he is learning? Let him just do his thing like last year it seemed to really work.
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11-27-17 11:22 AM - Post#238053
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Nana is fest when he gets the ball and goes right up with it. Too often he puts the ball down, or tries to deke as opposed to going aggressively for the basket. He can play on my team anytime though.
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11-27-17 01:38 PM - Post#238091
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Thought Nate did a fantastic defensive job on #12 after Nana sat with two and was key to us getting the 1st half advantage (along with ZT's 5 3 pt plays obviously). Even Nana had a hard time with his physicality. 137 - my confusion on the defensive end was/is I can't tell what "keys" how we defend the ball screen and how we defend screens off the ball. Seems to be a hodgepodge that sometimes results in confusion and being out of position. Also, we do seem to actively concentrate on weak side defense...not really true of Paulsen's tenure where everybody was taught "stay at home". We're often also late on building a baseline wall that allows the ball to come out too quickly to the perimeter, where rotations are by then well behind. That team (SB) was up double digits at Ball and #1 was a jet. They have also been good performers on their home floor in recent years. All things considered was great to get a result. Some really poor mental errors by Seniors down the stretch. Stephen trying to split defenders for no reason instead of understanding score/clock. Nana picking up a fourth foul and putting a guy on the line late when he inexplicably chased #1 out to the deep corner. Really poor entry pass to Nana by Bruce from the corner. Not always going to get bailed out by 58% FT shooting. If both clubs shot EXACTLY 75% from the line we lose by 1. Easy to always pick out the bad stuff and in this case easy to pick out the good stuff...38 from Zach/23-24/Sotos 3-3 from 3. Dribble drive penetration still an issue. Don't know how it gets better when opponents are that quick. Great win. .500 seemed like a dream a week ago. SJU won't be an any easier for sure. Someone mentioned lack of defensive flexibility with Avi hurt. Does put a lot of pressure on when match-ups aren't optimal but potential solutions appear less appealing. I absolutely love the game (not as much as women), but I wouldn't want to be a coach.
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11-27-17 01:40 PM - Post#238092
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#0 out to the corner
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11-27-17 02:28 PM - Post#238101
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I watched the game on demand last night without knowing the score. So, it was basically like watching it live.
Zack is amazing. The most prolific scorer that I have seen in the Orange & Blue. He can score from anywhere on the court.
Free Throw shooting was VERY impressive. Whatever the coaches/players did to improve, it is working.
Does anybody know if the coaches are trying something different on defense? It seems that the Bison cannot stop anybody, and defensive rebounding is very much a work in progress.
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11-27-17 02:59 PM - Post#238107
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Article from Long Island Newsday centers around Zach
https://www.newsday.com/sports/college/stony- brook...
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11-27-17 04:14 PM - Post#238121
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Does anybody know if the coaches are trying something different on defense? It seems that the Bison cannot stop anybody, and defensive rebounding is very much a work in progress.
Defensive approach is very similar to last year - although the absence of Avi Toomer, who is a very good defender, has hurt them. Last year the overall numbers on defense were a bit better, but not against the better teams. Here are the points allowed and the number of possessions against top 200 teams last year:
Rank Team Pts Poss.
36 Wake Forest 94 66
25 Butler 86 68
33 Vandy 72 65
92 Richmond 68 80
140 LaSalle 83 70
170 Siena 71 66
58 Princeton 72 66
115 Lehigh 82 69
115 Lehigh 79 73
115 Lehigh 65 70
7 West Virginia 86 76
Points Allowed Per Possession = 1.12
Points Allowed PP (excl. Lehigh) = 1.13
This year's points allowed per possession = 1.14. Not much of a difference.
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11-27-17 08:56 PM - Post#238146
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yes, still lots to improve upon, but some of you guys are really tough critics. things i like beyond the totally obvious:
Mackenzie: despite obvious shooting woes, he is not letting that affect rest of his game, playing defense, taking charges, etc.
Sestina: has seemed much more confident and aggressive from the UNC game on. we've been wanting more from him, he's giving us an increased presence on the boards and while he was only 3 of 10 shooting against Stony Brook, they were all good looks, and only one shot was badly off. i want him to keep taking all of those shots, he'll finish more than 30% long term. only comment would be while his finished finger roll was pretty, if he could get a foot closer he could be finishing those drives with a flush, no one could stop him.
Moore: also helping us get on the boards more. looking for his offense, but not forcing it too much. he'll keep getting better and better with game experience. we are getting what we asked for, and i for one am happy about it. consistency takes time.
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