PennFan10
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03-07-20 10:53 AM - Post#303361
In response to welcometothejungle
I think AJ is making a strong late season push for POY. Last night he had 22-10-7 in a must win game. He is top 5 in the league in pts, rebounds, assists, A/TO, FT%, and blocks. There is not another player in the league that fills the stat sheet the way he does. Mike Martin said last week that he is the most complete player in the league and arguable the best big he has seen in the league in his 20 years. He went on to say he is in the conversation for the best big in IL history.
Pretty high praise from an opposing coach and I am sure his opinion is not the only one.
I also think Chris Knight may have played his way from the fringe to onto the 1st team over these past 2 weekends. He has been a beast for Dartmouth.
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iogyhufi
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03-07-20 11:28 AM - Post#303364
In response to PennFan10
That's a position that's becoming progressively harder and harder to argue with. I must begrudgingly tip my hat to the apotheosis of old-man game made manifest in Mr. 100-Pivots down in Philly. The only thing working against him is Penn's record. If Penn manages to miss the tourney, he's got no shot. If he makes it, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he got PoY.
If Brodeur does get PoY, it'd be the first time that award goes to a member of a non-Ivy-champion team since Ian Hummer got it in 2012.
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welcometothejungle
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03-07-20 11:35 AM - Post#303365
In response to iogyhufi
Personally still lean Atkinson for POY but Brodeur would definitely be a worthy winner.
I think Knight, along with Atkinson, Brodeur and Smith should be locks for the 1st team at this point. From there, I think there's a bunch of players who would be deserving for the 5th spot (Swain, Bruner, Anderson, Llewellyn, Kirkwood, etc).
Also think Terrance McBride has played his way into some kind of recognition, whether it be 2nd team or HM (although I hope his hot streak ends tonight)
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iogyhufi
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03-07-20 11:50 AM - Post#303366
In response to welcometothejungle
I still lean Atkinson too (of course), but I do have to admit: it's impressive that Brodeur seems to be playing his best basketball down the stretch. He's had 20+ points and 7 assists in each of the last three games.
What I'm most impressed with about Atkinson's season is his dependability. He's broken double figures in every Ivy League game this year and has missed the 50% shooting mark in only one Ivy League game (neither of which is true of Brodeur) and this consistency takes a ton of pressure off of the rest of Yale's offense.
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PennFan10
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03-07-20 12:40 PM - Post#303372
In response to iogyhufi
There’s not much of an argument against Atkinson. He is Mr Dependable for Yale all year. AJ has just been such a complete player this year in every facet. He is also has made 47% of his 3’s over the last 6 games
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james
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03-07-20 01:10 PM - Post#303383
In response to PennFan10
Brodeur is the most complete player in the IL this year.
As an opponent he is scary and has become unguardable esp when the 3 drops.
Penn will make the tourney and might win it due to his efforts.
Atkinson is having a wonderful year. He is a junior and the offense goes to him not through him like brodeur.
Guys like bruner sacrifice to stretch the floor which enables Paul’s finishing ability.
so by deduction that is my first team set of forwards.
For context I am a Yale fan and former player so take that as you may.
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Old Bear
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03-07-20 02:07 PM - Post#303395
In response to james
AJ gets my vote. Choh must be at least second team, I suspect the coaches will agree.
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Quakers03
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03-07-20 04:36 PM - Post#303424
In response to james
Did you play? We didn’t know.
Not that it has any effect on POY but AJ needs only 16 points to set the all-time Penn scoring record.
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james
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03-07-20 06:24 PM - Post#303448
In response to Quakers03
just offering perspective as a Yale fan and player which means my bias is high.
Where did you play?
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james
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03-07-20 06:26 PM - Post#303450
In response to james
Your insights on the game are invaluable as is your objectivity so genuinely curious.
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Quakers03
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ROY and POY
03-07-20 08:44 PM - Post#303512
In response to james
Hey, did you play ball?
First triple double in Penn history, Player of the Year, AJ Brodeur.
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james
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03-08-20 01:12 AM - Post#303567
In response to Quakers03
What ya studying for cool guy? Bet it’s riveting
aj is good. And yes he is poy
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james
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03-08-20 01:32 AM - Post#303570
In response to james
Feel sorry for anyone who has to guard brodeur right now.
Like being healthy and stuck in Seoul right now.
I also feel sorry for anyone who has to guard Atkinson though brodeur runs the damn offense.
The answer to the riddle next week is likely to be whomever doesn’t pay dearly for the double team.
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Condor
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ROY and POY
03-08-20 10:12 AM - Post#303602
In response to LyleGold
For ROY, here are some of the numbers:
Player…..GP…..GS…..MPG…..PPG…..ORtg…..DRtg
Martz…..26…...14…..23.9.……7.9..….121.3...104.0
Dingle….25…….20…..31.3….13.5….….95.0….102.5
Ledlum..29……..1…..16.0……..7.3…….93.9……94.7
If this is a PPG thing, then Dingle gets it. However, there is a strong case to be made for Martz.
BTW, add my name for Brodeur as POY and best center ever.
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iogyhufi
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Re: OY and POY
03-08-20 10:17 AM - Post#303603
In response to Condor
The literal only good thing that happened for Yale last night is that Atkinson dominated Lewis again (or at least it looks that way from the box score). Brodeur couldn't have finished any stronger, but Atkinson continued to be incredibly solid.
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palestra38
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Re: OY and POY
03-08-20 10:39 AM - Post#303607
In response to Condor
I really like Martz. That being said, Dingle did far more things that helped us win. Martz was less effective, however, when Betley was out during the 4 games on the road against H-D, Y-B. Having Betley around means teams play Martz with their 2nd best outside defender. But he clearly is improving.
We don't make the tournament this year without Dingle.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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03-08-20 10:45 AM - Post#303609
In response to iogyhufi
Atkinson played 34 minutes, Lewis only played 17 minutes because of fouls. Atkinson was tough, hitting 9 FT’s and 7 shots, but most of his points were likely not vs Lewis.
Lewis had only 8 pts, including 2 breakaway dunks off of steals.
Atkinson will rule this center depleted league next year.
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