SteveChop
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05-19-20 08:52 PM - Post#307560
Interesting article from SI on how the virus may affect the 2020-2021 college football and, more importantly for this group, basketball seasons.
https://www.si.com/college/2020/05/19/co lleges-shi...
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Quakers03
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05-19-20 09:23 PM - Post#307565
In response to SteveChop
I assume many of you received the survey today? I just don’t see myself attending a game until we have a vaccine. I’d imagine that might be a minority opinion around the country, but not on this board.
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gopenngo
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05-19-20 10:01 PM - Post#307569
In response to Quakers03
I'll be there for the Red & Blue Scrimmage, first home game and most of the other home games. Except, I will not pay to see a game against Wideman, Mysinus, or any other exhibition games of that ilk.
I'm happy to manage my own risk, and lead the life I want in whatever time I have left.
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Charlie Fog
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05-20-20 06:12 AM - Post#307571
In response to gopenngo
social distancing hasn't really been a problem at the Palestra for most games.
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palestra38
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05-20-20 07:41 AM - Post#307574
In response to Charlie Fog
It depends on the situation in November and the measures used, if necessary, at the arena. Too many variables right now still to say. I see now that in Vienna, all the cafes and bars are open and there is no spark of infection. If we are at that stage, I would take the slight risk. If the numbers are as they are now, almost certainly not.
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ivyrules
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05-20-20 07:49 AM - Post#307576
In response to palestra38
If and when it becomes clear, either pre-season or during the season, that the upcoming basketball season could be altered (or aborted) to conference only play, as the SI article suggests could happen, might star seniors opt to sit out or jump ship to remain eligible for grad transfer opportunities?
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ivyrules
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05-20-20 07:54 AM - Post#307577
In response to ivyrules
If I were a stud senior in the league, I might elect not to risk wasting a year of eligibility on a potentially altered or aborted season if I knew I could get a year of grad school paid for at a Cal or some such place.
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palestra38
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05-20-20 07:59 AM - Post#307580
In response to ivyrules
Since Penn doesn't have any stud seniors, that should not be an issue for them. But it may be an issue as to whether the League itself decides to play or not.
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20Penn14
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05-20-20 08:15 AM - Post#307584
In response to palestra38
Honestly, with ESPN+ streaming all the home games, I am willing to stay at home and watch most if not all the games online
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Silver Maple
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05-20-20 09:59 AM - Post#307612
In response to ivyrules
If I were a stud senior in the league, I might elect not to risk wasting a year of eligibility on a potentially altered or aborted season if I knew I could get a year of grad school paid for at a Cal or some such place.
Yeah-- that. At some point the league is going to have to re-evaluate its asinine grad transfer rule, as the problem is only going to get worse and worse. Furthermore, being able to dangle a year of free Ivy League grad school in front of HS players and their parents could become a really potent recruiting asset.
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palestra38
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05-20-20 10:03 AM - Post#307614
In response to Silver Maple
It cannot work unless you give athletic scholarships. Financial aid policies of the Ivies for grad schools are very different from undergraduate policies and each school has its own admissions policies--grad policies do not favor athletes. So unless we go to scholarships, we cannot promise a year of free grad school, nor admission to grad school for that matter.
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Silver Maple
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05-20-20 10:17 AM - Post#307621
In response to palestra38
I get your point, but I have to believe there's a creative solution to this problem. Whether or not this bunch will find it remains to be seen (I'm not hopeful).
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penn nation
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05-20-20 10:29 AM - Post#307624
In response to Silver Maple
Columbia (and NYU) this morning announced plans to have in-person classes in the fal.
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palestra38
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05-20-20 11:30 AM - Post#307633
In response to penn nation
I think colleges are recognizing that if this isn't treated as a short term emergency, there will be a general rebellion against tuition. Watch for the waiver agreement that almost certainly will be part of this.
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Streamers
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05-20-20 11:38 AM - Post#307634
In response to palestra38
Columbia and NYU being dense urban campuses, will be among the most difficult to adapt. I also think it's a mistake to generalize across schools. Too many variables there. Each will have its own set of risks and opportunities.
I fear it will be a bit like what we are seeing in retail where schools with big brands and resources will survive at the expense of everyone else.
Only thing I know is that this will force a seismic shift in the business models for many schools - probably a long time coming, but this is accelerating things greatly.
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SomeGuy
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05-20-20 12:28 PM - Post#307637
In response to 20Penn14
As with everything else, it will be interesting to see if there is a shift in how we consume sports. Something for the leagues to think about if they move to a temporary no fans in stadium structure. I would watch baseball all day on TV if it started now. But I wouldn’t set foot in a stadium, and I don’t know when I will. Probably when a vaccine is available, and by then I may have decided I like watching on TV better, which is already my preference for football.
I will renew my season tickets for Penn basketball for various reasons, but as of now I won’t physically be there for the games.
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mrjames
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05-20-20 12:36 PM - Post#307638
In response to Streamers
Agree with P38. The information that we'll all have will only continue to grow (and grow exponentially, at that) over the coming months. Doesn't make a ton of sense to extrapolate linearly from what we know today. At the same time, that doesn't necessarily mean that things will get exponentially BETTER, just that we'll be way more informed to make smart, safe decisions that will give us more confidence in things happening or not.
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palestra38
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05-20-20 12:54 PM - Post#307641
In response to mrjames
I think that given what we know now, students overwhelmingly will attend classes and events. The real issue will be with the faculty
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Streamers
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05-20-20 12:57 PM - Post#307642
In response to mrjames
Mike - I wish that were true. It is already clear that a growing portion of the data we are getting to base our decisions on is being corrupted
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penn nation
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05-20-20 01:00 PM - Post#307643
In response to Streamers
Related--this is one of the better pieces I've seen on this subject. Skillfully integrates a moving narrative into a wider research and analytic discussion.
I think Mike would like this, too.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/coronavirus- d...
Mike - I wish that were true. It is already clear that a growing portion of the data we are getting to base our decisions on is being corrupted
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