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maximus
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02-23-06 12:11 PM - Post#16163
I believe this squad, this year, is the best in PL history. Can anyone make an argument to the contrary? A good Fordham team in the early 90's and a 25-4 Holy Cross in more recent history deserve consideration. Still, neither dominated the League and had the national attention we did this season.
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BUFan
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Re: Where Does This Team Rank?
02-23-06 12:58 PM - Post#16164
In response to Husky - Bison
I am too young to remember, but was the Colgate team with Foyle good or was it a 1 man show?
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SFlaQuaker
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Re: Where Does This Team Rank?
02-23-06 01:08 PM - Post#16165
In response to BUFan
How about Mr. Robinson's Navy team?
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Gmoney89
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Re: Where Does This Team Rank?
02-23-06 01:14 PM - Post#16166
In response to SFlaQuaker
Mr Robinson's Navy Team was still in the CAA
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Gmoney89
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Re: Where Does This Team Rank?
02-23-06 01:19 PM - Post#16167
In response to Gmoney89
WHile from a biased point of view, This Bison Team will (after Saturday) be ranked highest in my mind. That said, The Patriot League is still a little bit in transition from a non-scholarship to scholarship league. There were a few Lafayette Teams (don't laugh) in the early 90's that went Back to Back Championships and League POY's that were pretty impressive. Only time will tell if this Bison Team will measure up. We have the opportunity to continue to be something really special with 4 more victories!!
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bison63
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Re: Where Does This Team Rank?
02-23-06 02:44 PM - Post#16168
In response to Gmoney89
Actually 89, 4 more victories are what is expected. It's victory 5 and 6 that would make this team really special, although I do not want to imply it is not a special team if it does not win in the NCAA's, that is what will take this team to the next level, and unquestioned "best ever" status for the PL.
Now for something really silly. Per Bison game notes, the most games ever won by a particular senior class at BU is 82. Don't remember the class (83?). This (not from the game notes, but from my screwy brain) Sr class has a chance to equal that number. All it will take to do that is to win out in the PL and the PL Tournament and then win 5 games in the NCAA's. Oops, that would put us in the NCAA Final, where of course anything can happen. Stay tuned for more fantasy basketball.
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mcapodee
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Re: Where Does This Team Rank?
02-23-06 07:28 PM - Post#16169
In response to bison63
The Lafayette teams with Brian Ehlers and Stefan Coscic (sp?) would probably give the Bison a run for their money.
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Re: Where Does This Team Rank?
02-23-06 08:24 PM - Post#16170
In response to mcapodee
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The Lafayette teams with Brian Ehlers and Stefan Coscic (sp?) would probably give the Bison a run for their money.
The Lafayette teams of the Ehlers-Ciosici era were very good for their time. I enjoyed watching them play on many occasions. However, objectively speaking, they were not nearly as good as this year's Bison team, or last year's BU or HC team. There are a number of reasons:
1. LC played in a non-scholarship league, where the level of competition was lower than it is now.
2. LC's RPI in 1999-2000 (the year they had their best record)was #119. Bucknell is currently #34, and both BU and HC last year were in the 60's.
3. LC's out-of-conference (OOC) RPI that year was a very low 183. (Playing a PL schedule actually HELPED their RPI significantly!) BU this year is #25, and BU and HC last year were in the top 50 in the nation in this category.
4. LC's OOC strength of schedule that year was #296, almost at the bottom of the entire NCAA. Bucknell this year is #37 in OOC strength of schedule, and BU and HC both had tough schedules last year as well.
5. LC's best win that year was against the #93 team in the nation, in overtime. Compare that to BU winning at Syracuse, at DePaul, and vs St Joes this year. Or, last year, beating Pitt, St Joes, and Kansas. Or Holy Cross last year beating Notre Dame and a very good Northeastern team.
6. In the NCAA tournament, LC played the #5 seed Temple, and lost by a 73-47 score. Compare that to Bucknell's performance last year vs Kansas or several of HC's earlier close games.
7. Although LC had a worse record in 1998-99, it was actually slightly better in the RPI. Still, however, they were #100, still had a bad strength of schedule, had a weaker OOC RPI, and their best win was against the #91 team. That year, they played a 22-6 Miami team and lost by 21 points in the NCAA.
None of this is intended to disparage the Lafayette teams of this era, who played great and were really well-coached. It is simply to point out that a team can only be so good without scholarships. For example, look at non-scholarship LC this year who, despite great coaching, has lost to BU by 50 points in their two games and to HC by 45 points. O'Hanlon and many alums are pleading for scholarships because they know a team can only get to a certain level without them.
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Re: Where Does This Team Rank?
02-23-06 09:03 PM - Post#16171
In response to
I think this Bucknell team of the last 2 seasons is the best PL team since at least when I was in school - early 90s. There were some very good teams in the PL back then btwn Fordham, HC, and Bucknell. It would be pretty cool if you could match the '92 or '93 Bucknell teams on the court with the current team.
The thing to keep in mind is that back then, the good teams in the power conferences were much better since most players played 4 years and none of the stud high school players went straight to the NBA.
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ericatbucknell
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Re: Where Does This Team Rank?
02-23-06 09:08 PM - Post#16172
In response to
first, a couple of points regarding 137s post. bucknell and holy cross have in the last two years benefited from the new rpi calculations, which help teams that play (and win) a lot of games on the road. the benefit isnt large enough to drastically weaken your points, but i think it should be noted nothetheless. also, teams can be quite good without scholarships. i am just not sure patriot league teams would ever be able to truly succeed without them. its one thing to give up a scholarship to play at princeton. paying to go to lafayette instead of getting a free ride to a boston university, davidson or william and mary is another.
over and over again i have seen people post about the weak level of play in the patriot league this season. perhaps people just had higher expectations, but i dont think the patriot league has recently seen (if anyone has league data from the 90s, id like to see it), from top to bottom, basketball played on this level. consequently, there is little doubt in my mind that this is the best patriot league team... ever.
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jck45
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Re: Where Does This Team Rank?
02-23-06 11:33 PM - Post#16173
In response to mcapodee
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The Lafayette teams with Brian Ehlers and Stefan Coscic (sp?) would probably give the Bison a run for their money.
They were good. I remember we used to chant "haircut" every time Ehlers touched the ball. That is, until he got the Griffin-like shave.
I remember, however, making a small fortune in the first round of the 98-99 tournament parlaying Miami -12.5 and the under. Not only did I know that they would get smoked, but I knew they wouldn't be able to score.
It was a different league.
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Re: Where Does This Team Rank?
02-24-06 01:52 AM - Post#16174
In response to ericatbucknell
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over and over again i have seen people post about the weak level of play in the patriot league this season. perhaps people just had higher expectations, but i dont think the patriot league has recently seen (if anyone has league data from the 90s, id like to see it), from top to bottom, basketball played on this level. consequently, there is little doubt in my mind that this is the best patriot league team... ever.
At the very least the top 3 this year are far better than any top 3 in the PL has ever been. Some of the dominant PL teams of the pre-scholarship era appeared to be better than they were because of weaker OOC schedules and running up good records against other PL teams who weren't as good. I've seen BU games every year since the old ECC and I think the BU/HC teams of the past two years are the best I've seen (except for the occasional Temple/St Joes teams of the ECC). The Colgate team with both Foyle and Neale was also good, although once Neale graduated Colgate was just another good team, nothing special.
Next year the depth of the league should definitely be greater since I see American taking a big step up, and Navy and Colgate getting better as well.
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ericatbucknell
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Re: Where Does This Team Rank?
02-24-06 02:07 AM - Post#16175
In response to
for those who are interested in what is returning next year...
classes are broken down and the statistics describe the percentage of minutes/points/rebounds each has accounted for thus far. The final 'returning' statistics indicate the total percentage of minutes/points/rebounds accounted by those not in this years senior class. Note that no means was taken to account for players (knight, joneliunas, doherty, et cetera) who missed large numbers of games. numbers accurate as of this past tuesday.
Again, MINUTES/POINTS/REBOUNDS
American
Freshmen: 36.77/30.95/33.90
Sophomores: 5.39/3.10/7.27
Juniors: 53.90/63.87/55.06
Seniors: 0.51/0.00/0.13
Underclassmen: 41.16/34.05/41.17
Returning: 99.49/100.00/99.87
Army
Freshmen: 15.88/14.48/16.07
Sophomores: 26.94/34.88/31.98
Juniors: 51.49/49.66/45.09
Seniors: 5.69/0.98/6.86
Underclassmen: 42.82/49.36/48.05
Returning: 94.31/99.02/93.14
Bucknell
Freshmen: 6.06/7.45/4.22
Sophomores: 19.31/12.72/18.97
Juniors: 38.42/40.34/42.56
Seniors: 36.22/39.49/34.26
Underclassmen: 25.37/20.17/23.19
Returning: 63.78/60.51/65.74
Colgate
Freshmen: 2.15/0.99/1.74
Sophomores: 39.01/44.17/46.60
Juniors: 31.60/27.95/22.70
Seniors: 27.24/26.89/28.97
Underclassmen: 41.16/45.17/48.33
Returning: 72.76/73.11/71.03
Holy Cross
Freshmen: 26.7518.33/27.74
Sophomores: 13.89/13.23/15.18
Juniors: 33.45/37.89/31.16
Seniors: 25.91/30.55/25.91
Underclassmen: 40.64/31.56/42.92
Returning: 74.09/69.45/74.09
Lafayette
Freshmen: 15.04/14.41/7.46
Sophomores: 51.72/48.79/61.40
Juniors: 12.02/9.77/11.26
Seniors: 21.21/27.02/19.88
Underclassmen: 66.77/63.21/68.86
Returning: 78.79/72.98/ 80.12
Lehigh
Freshmen: 12.09/7.65/9.08
Sophomores: 12.28/10.55/16.37
Juniors: 37.33/52.40/36.20
Seniors: 38.30/29.40/38.35
Underclassmen: 24.37/18.20/24.45
Returning: 61.70/70.60/61.65
Navy
Freshmen: 39.22/37.94/32.80
Sophomores: 27.90/31.46/26.73
Juniors: 6.95/7.23/10.64
Seniors: 25.93/23.37/29.83
Underclassmen: 67.12/69.40/59.53
Returning: 74.07/76.63/70.17
Patriot League
Freshmen: 19.18/16.79/17.05
Sophomores: 24.39/24.41/27.11
Juniors: 33.14/35.26/31.76
Seniors: 22.87/22.91/29.83
Underclassmen: 43.57/41.21/44.15
Returning: 77.13/77.09/76.37
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