palestra38
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02-15-24 12:46 PM - Post#363223
In response to jeromelh
Rough article on Dingle in today's NY Post
https://nypost.com/2024/02/15/sports/st- johns-feel...
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Penn90
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02-15-24 02:07 PM - Post#363227
In response to palestra38
Oof. This article takes no prisoners.
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Mike Porter
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02-15-24 04:15 PM - Post#363235
In response to Penn90
Rough article and rough times for Jordan. I never liked the St. Johns choice to be honest, it was too much an unknown when basically the entire team was going to be transfers in there.
That said, while Jordan has not lived up to his own standards statistically, in the games I watch, Coach Pitino has not used Jordan in the way that matches his skills.
Just a bad fit with the coach and players to be honest. I hope St. Johns can turn it around and at least make the NCAAs. for Jordan's sake.
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SRP
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02-16-24 02:41 AM - Post#363251
In response to Mike Porter
I agree that Dingle has not been given much chance for offensive flow to develop in the six or so St. John’s games I’ve watched.
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Penndemonium
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Dingle Transferring Continuation Thread
02-16-24 04:31 AM - Post#363253
In response to SRP
I was a bit mixed on him playing for Pitino too. Pitino is an amazing coach. I didn't think it was a good fit for Dingle, but I was intrigued that he would be playing in a scheme that would require his improvement in exactly the areas he needs to improve for a shot at the NBA - faster ball movement, faster decisions, better three point shooting, and swarming full-court defense.
In a strange way (and I don't mean to upset you, nychoops), Donahue did customize the offense to work for Dingle in a way that fit. It was a pretty one-dimensional set of plays (probably part of your ire), but with hindsight it enabled some of Dingle's strengths. It's hard to argue with his individual stats under Donahue.
If I were to give Dingle advice, it would be to move the ball faster - try not to hold the ball for even a second and try not to take a few still dribbles to read the defense. Instead, either pass the ball immediately or else penetrate hard immediately. I think Pitino would rather a player put immediate pressure on the defense, and then kick the ball if the drive isn't there - instead of dribbling in place while reading the defense. Pitino wants an off-balance defense, not one with time to key on a player and to set their feet. Dingle is not a long armed defender, so he needs to be quicker on his feet and more physical on D than he was at Penn.
I haven't really watched St. John's games, so maybe he's already doing these things under Pitino. Wishing him a great rest of the season.
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PennFan10
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Dingle Transferring Continuation Thread
02-16-24 12:42 PM - Post#363278
In response to Penndemonium
Dingle hasn't had much of a chance? Come on. He is averaging 25 min a game (starter minutes) and has career lows in almost every category. They don't have a "closer" and have a losing record in single digit games (5-6). At some point JD has to be a basketball player. No one at the level he is playing (or hopes to play) is going to structure their offense around him. He has to go score, defend, and distribute with high efficiency in whatever situation/system he is playing. Another school would be the same problem.
I love the kid, but this isn't Pitino's fault or the system's fault. Dingle hasn't shown the killer instinct you need to play at a higher level. If we are honest, he didn't take over in key, close games, at Penn either. The Princeton losses being examples 1,2 and 3.
I hope he turns his enormous talent loose at some point down the stretch at St Johns.
Edited by PennFan10 on 02-16-24 12:43 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Streamers
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Re: Dingle Transferring Continuation Thread
02-16-24 01:04 PM - Post#363280
In response to Penndemonium
I was a bit mixed on him playing for Pitino too. Pitino is an amazing coach. I didn't think it was a good fit for Dingle, but I was intrigued that he would be playing in a scheme that would require his improvement in exactly the areas he needs to improve for a shot at the NBA - faster ball movement, faster decisions, better three point shooting, and swarming full-court defense.
Exactly.
His challenges this year do not change the fact that he made a good decision to leave. It was a bit of a gamble in some ways, but there was little chance playing for Penn this year would have improved his NBA possibilities. This way, he had a shot (maybe still does) and then there was the $$$. He did what he needed to do.
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Penndemonium
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Re: Dingle Transferring Continuation Thread
02-16-24 03:45 PM - Post#363299
In response to PennFan10
I assume that was meant for SRP.
Dingle hasn't had much of a chance? Come on. He is averaging 25 min a game (starter minutes) and has career lows in almost every category. They don't have a "closer" and have a losing record in single digit games (5-6). At some point JD has to be a basketball player. No one at the level he is playing (or hopes to play) is going to structure their offense around him. He has to go score, defend, and distribute with high efficiency in whatever situation/system he is playing. Another school would be the same problem.
I love the kid, but this isn't Pitino's fault or the system's fault. Dingle hasn't shown the killer instinct you need to play at a higher level. If we are honest, he didn't take over in key, close games, at Penn either. The Princeton losses being examples 1,2 and 3.
I hope he turns his enormous talent loose at some point down the stretch at St Johns.
Edited by Penndemonium on 02-16-24 03:47 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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SRP
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02-16-24 08:15 PM - Post#363310
In response to Penndemonium
If you watch St. John’s, the ball is dominated by the Iona-transfer PG (who is good) and their big man. Any time Dingle uses a possession he looks like an uninvited guest. It would help if his three-point shooting were better, but it’s not like he’s getting a ton of catch-and-shoot opportunities.
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weinhauers_ghost
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02-17-24 12:29 AM - Post#363348
In response to SRP
I've said this since the beginning of the season: JD has struggled being the third or fourth option in their offense. He gets very few touches in spots where he's open and in rhythm, and the size and physicality of help defenders in the Big East have largely prevented him from getting into the paint.
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CM
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02-17-24 10:23 AM - Post#363365
In response to weinhauers_ghost
On the bright side, two of Dingle's Penn teammates - Max Lorca Loyd and Lucas Monroe - seem to be enjoying their 5th years. At UMBC MLL is co-leader of America East is blocks/game and a real candidate for conference Defensive POY, while Monroe just dropped a very efficient 14 on Hofstra for Drexel.
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PennFan10
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02-17-24 01:12 PM - Post#363369
In response to CM
Dingle is second on the team in FGA and 3PA. he is shooting career lows in FG%, 3pt% and FT% (not sure how that is affected by scheme). He's the 3rd or 4th option mainly because he hasn't performed like a 1st option. At some point he has to be a basketball player.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVNYnmHM_ow
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SRP
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02-17-24 04:36 PM - Post#363380
In response to PennFan10
Have you watched them play? For sure, better shooting by Dingle (and fewer turnovers) would help. But the fact that Pitino is a defensive coach is readily apparent when you watch their offensive possessions. Night and day compared to a team like UConn with all their curls and off-ball actions.
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PennFan10
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02-17-24 06:21 PM - Post#363381
In response to SRP
Yes. I have seen 4-5 of their games. It's different for sure, but he isn't getting zero shots. He is playing starter minutes and second on the team in FGA. Unfortunately, he just hasn't been able to adjust.
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SRP
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02-19-24 05:16 AM - Post#363506
In response to PennFan10
I haven’t found a video of his whole press conference, and Dingle was not one of the names called out in the fragments I’ve seen reported, but Pitino blew a gasket and leaked out whatever class he might have had after losing to Seton Hall. Just running down his players mercilessly.
https://www.nj.com/sports/2024/02/after- latest-st-...
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TigerFan
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Dingle Transferring Continuation Thread
02-19-24 10:56 AM - Post#363524
In response to SRP
“Jordan Dingle was the leading scorer at Penn, and they were happy to see him go. ” Doug Gottlieb on The Field of 68 podcast.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MVb7f6OtT50
Edited by TigerFan on 02-19-24 11:02 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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palestra38
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Re: Dingle Transferring Continuation Thread
02-19-24 11:04 AM - Post#363525
In response to TigerFan
Ridiculous douchebag comment.
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PennFan10
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02-19-24 12:18 PM - Post#363532
In response to palestra38
Pitino said "this is the most unenjoyable year I've had in my career in coaching". Ouch.
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LocalTiger
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02-19-24 12:59 PM - Post#363535
In response to PennFan10
really a shame that a guy who ran a program
where recruits were treated to prostitutes
isn't having fun at his multi-million dollar job.
Terrible that the players he selected are4 not as
good as he thought.
Definitely deserves a raise.
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palestra38
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02-19-24 01:02 PM - Post#363538
In response to LocalTiger
Tough to feel sorry for the players though--they went pro, got paid well and it isn't working. Big East is really tough, though. And UConn has both the recruits and the coach--Seton Hall got the great young coach. Don't know if the time has passed for Pitino---should have stayed at Iona, where he always would be worshipped.
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