jeromelh
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01-17-24 06:55 PM - Post#361806
In response to Penndemonium
I certainly don't know what he thinks, but he doesn't start and has averages 10 points per game for the year. I doubt that this is helping his NBA future. That's my humble opinion.
Furthermore, I am not sure that it is so easy to complete Ivy course work while you are playing basketball almost every day.
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LocalTiger
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01-17-24 07:51 PM - Post#361807
In response to jeromelh
How sure are people that he got big NIL $$?
That is the only potential silver lining to his move.
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Penndemonium
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01-18-24 02:30 AM - Post#361812
In response to LocalTiger
Playing #1 Uconn and several other tough teams week in and out isn't exactly a terrible thing. He is getting starter / 6th man minutes. Playing at their arena and MSG isn't a terrible thing. He is from NY.
Team is #38 Pomeroy and #23 RPI. Gets to play for a coaching legend. His team is winning despite being its first year together.
I don't know if he's happy about his decision or not, but I don't see any reason to single him out as someone who made a bad decision - especially if he has kept his degree option open. If that's the case, it was no real downside. Penn is not looking like a championship team, and it isn't clear he would have been the difference-maker, given our leadership has remained at Guard.
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SomeGuy
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01-19-24 11:08 AM - Post#361818
In response to Penndemonium
I’m not sure you evaluate the decision based entirely on result either. In terms of the NBA, there are lots of places along the way where that dream can end. Maybe staying at Penn and leading the nation in scoring extends the dream, but it probably just ends at a different spot on the path. Just because the dream ends, that doesn’t mean you made the wrong choice pursuing the dream. He made a decision that was at least in part premised on doing what he could to pursue the NBA dream. He doesn’t have to actually reach the NBA to justify the choice.
That all is assuming that he continues to come off the bench and be a secondary option at St John’s. You never know how things might develop — he still could make this look very different in a couple of months.
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penn nation
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01-19-24 11:19 AM - Post#361819
In response to SomeGuy
He is also going to have a far greater chance of playing postseason basketball at St. Johns as opposed to Penn.
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SRP
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01-19-24 09:45 PM - Post#361830
In response to penn nation
The biggest developmental downside for him I can see at St. Johns, having watched them a few times this year and kept an eye on Dingle, is that he doesn't have a chance to develop any offensive rhythm (and he is mostly a help defender in their matchup zone). He goes up and down the floor on possession after possession without having much impact on the game. His three-point shooting off of passes is solid, but when he tries to initiate anything his teammates just stare at him and don't even get in rebounding position, and the shots he takes then haven't been going in at a high rate.
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Bryan
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01-19-24 09:52 PM - Post#361831
In response to SRP
If one of the appeals of going to play for Pitino is helping your chance to get to the NBA, then having him play a match-up zone is a bad choice for you. If you want to play in the NBA you better be able to play man-to-man.
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SRP
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01-19-24 11:30 PM - Post#361836
In response to Bryan
They play a lot of man-to-man as well, but I've seen many possessions where Dingle gets back promptly on D and slides to the front corner of the match-up. When the ball comes into his area, he gets to belly up the man with the ball. (Of course, a man D that switches all ball screens is similar to a match-up in some respects.)
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Penndemonium
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01-20-24 01:39 AM - Post#361837
In response to SRP
I think the point that someone else already made was key. He probably wasn't an NBA player anyway. This is nothing against Dingle. The bar is just so high. There are about 5,500 division 1 college basketball players each season. Only about 1% will even get a long look from an NBA team, taste of an NBA game. Less will actually build a solid NBA career. I don't think playing. for Penn or playing for St. John's is the defining factor. The only difference is that playing for St. John's exposes it more, because JD wouldn't have had sufficient competition in the Ivies to prove or disprove. Any shortcomings he had then would likely have been survived. Meanwhile, he has probably had to grow up defensively at St. John's, even from practice.
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weinhauers_ghost
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01-20-24 02:01 AM - Post#361838
In response to Penndemonium
I think the biggest factor JD has had to adapt to has been going from being the primary scoring option, as he was at Penn, to being the third or fourth option at St. John's. I think that has a lot to do with his inconsistent shooting.
I do agree that for the time being, his basketball future appears to be in Europe. I don't see him as a G League player, but I could be wrong.
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LocalTiger
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01-20-24 10:21 AM - Post#361841
In response to weinhauers_ghost
He will certainly get a European contract, but
perhaps not as lucrative a one as after last year.
It is also not clear that he is developing more
than he would have in a program that was
built around seeing him succeed.
I agree he had reasons to consider a move as will
other Ivy stars. His experience shows that all
decisions have potential risks as well as potential
benefits.
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SomeGuy
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01-20-24 02:18 PM - Post#361847
In response to LocalTiger
As did Mike Smith and Evan Boudreaux before him.
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LocalTiger
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01-20-24 05:00 PM - Post#361876
In response to SomeGuy
I don't think Smith had Ivy eligibility.
Not sure about Boudreaux.
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Old Bear
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01-20-24 05:38 PM - Post#361881
In response to LocalTiger
Did Dingle play vs. Marquette?
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LocalTiger
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01-20-24 07:29 PM - Post#361897
In response to Old Bear
No.
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weinhauers_ghost
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01-20-24 07:30 PM - Post#361899
In response to Old Bear
No, he missed his second consecutive game due to illness.
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penn nation
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01-21-24 04:14 PM - Post#361962
In response to weinhauers_ghost
It seems to me that it's only a matter of time before the IL makes the move to DIII.
It was challenging enough when being the only DI division not to offer athletic scholarships. But add the NIL layer on top of this, and it's next to impossible. Plus the exodus of players via the transfer portal--it's not a good look for the league.
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SomeGuy
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01-21-24 04:24 PM - Post#361963
In response to penn nation
That could be where it goes, of course, but right now it’s only Dingle. The transfer portal is (almost) all grad transfers. And that weird 4 years to play 4 years rule may actually help prevent undergrad transfers from the league, because it is fairly easy to get the Ivy degree and then grad transfer and still play a year of big conference basketball. Kind of the best of both worlds.
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penn nation
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Dingle Transferring Continuation Thread
01-21-24 04:30 PM - Post#361964
In response to SomeGuy
If you're good enough to play "big time" conference basketball, you're not going to play for free (not even a scholarship) for four years when you could be getting both a scholarship and NIL for 4 years.
Not unless your family is independently wealthy, anyways.
Edited by penn nation on 01-21-24 04:30 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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jeromelh
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01-21-24 05:36 PM - Post#361967
In response to penn nation
With Covid year behind us, I expect to see a marked decrease in Ivy transfers.
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