gokinsmen
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12-04-23 12:39 PM - Post#360132
I thought there should be a catch-all thread for NET rankings, KenPom ratings, Top 25 polls (AP and Coaches), etc.
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-m en/d1/nc...
Princeton has debuted at #8 (!!!) in the NCAA men's basketball NET rankings. NET is the official rating system of the NCAA tournament committee, so this is the number that I follow the most closely.
I still don't think we'll be ranked in either Top 25 unless we win both games this week (Drexel and St. Joe's). But what a start to the season!
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Albert08
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Re: ankings, Ratings and Polls
12-06-23 12:46 PM - Post#360206
In response to gokinsmen
In College Insider's Mid-Major Polls this week (Dec. 4-5), the women are #2 and the men are #3. Princeton trying to become the Gonzaga (#1, #1) of the East.
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TigerFan
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Re: ankings, Ratings and Polls
12-06-23 07:52 PM - Post#360224
In response to Albert08
Tiger men up to 46 on KenPom and a projected #11 seed according to Joe Lunardi:
https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/ page/bra...
Edited by TigerFan on 12-06-23 07:52 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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sparman
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Re: ankings, Ratings and Polls
12-06-23 08:25 PM - Post#360226
In response to TigerFan
Notice how he likens Tigers to a light hitting shortstop who has a brief flirtation with a .500 average (see write-up on Oregon).
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SRP
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12-06-23 10:57 PM - Post#360245
In response to sparman
A bit early for bracketology to mean much. The Tigers will have to have a great conference season and a great Ivy tournament against a nasty league slate to even make that relevant.
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gokinsmen
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12-11-23 12:34 PM - Post#360494
In response to SRP
Following our first loss of the season...
NET ranking: #21. Down 10 spots. St. Joe's was a Quad 1 loss, but the Duquesne and Hofstra road wins were demoted to Quad 2 (just barely). Neutral site win vs. Rutgers remains Quad 2. These could easily change in the coming weeks.
KenPom: #53. We were hovering between 52-53 before the loss so we remain steady here.
Next D-1 game is at Delaware, who's having a very nice season with a recent win over Xavier. This would be a high Quad 2 win and a chance to move up a few spots.
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ToothlessTiger
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12-11-23 12:46 PM - Post#360495
In response to gokinsmen
Billy Lange was profuse in his praise for Tigers yesterday. Stated that Lee "is an NBA-level pg." Pierce "could play for any team in the country." Neither he nor Henderson would speculate on whether these teams will play each other next season.
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ToothlessTiger
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12-11-23 04:25 PM - Post#360504
In response to ToothlessTiger
Interesting that kenpom still favors Tigers to win all of their remaining games including Delaware and both Yale games. If that happens and the Tigers lose the Ivy tourney final it would be very hard to justify denying a Big Dance spot
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sparman
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12-11-23 06:32 PM - Post#360514
In response to ToothlessTiger
Interesting that kenpom still favors Tigers to win all of their remaining games including Delaware and both Yale games. If that happens and the Tigers lose the Ivy tourney final it would be very hard to justify denying a Big Dance spot.
You have a more charitable willingness to ascribe a sense of fairness to the Committee than I do.
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gokinsmen
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12-11-23 08:54 PM - Post#360519
In response to sparman
I think we'd have to lose to an Ivy in the NET Top 100. And only Cornell fits that bill right now. At long last though, we are in the realm of possibility of a 2-bid Ivy.
But let's revisit this topic in March if we go into the ILT final with 1 loss. I'm skeptical that we can make it through the Ivy gauntlet without 2-3 losses.
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gokinsmen
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12-11-23 08:58 PM - Post#360520
In response to ToothlessTiger
Stated that Lee "is an NBA-level pg."
I'm calling it now: Xaivian Lee is getting drafted. Miye Oni was a late 2nd, but I think Lee will go late 1st, early 2nd.
Most NBA prospects out of the Ivy don't pass "the eye test" in terms of athleticism, but Lee's highlight reel moves are a real outlier. And he's just a sophomore! Imagine him in another year or two.
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ToothlessTiger
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12-11-23 10:50 PM - Post#360534
In response to gokinsmen
He had a good game (for him) not a great fame vs St. Joe's and Lange sounded relieved that he escaped
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joe nassau
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Re: ankings, Ratings and Polls
12-13-23 03:31 PM - Post#360610
In response to gokinsmen
Miye Oni if he'd stayed woulda been a first round pick? His one and done really blew up in his face?
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CM
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Re: ankings, Ratings and Polls
12-13-23 07:21 PM - Post#360622
In response to gokinsmen
So a NBA team is going to give Lee a guaranteed contract? Curious who you see as his comp who was a first rounder this year or last?
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gokinsmen
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Re: ankings, Ratings and Polls
12-13-23 10:59 PM - Post#360627
In response to joe nassau
Miye Oni if he'd stayed woulda been a first round pick? His one and done really blew up in his face?
I don't think so. Oni declared for the draft as a junior, but I don't think he would've moved up much with another year. Especially since his senior season would have had no NCAA tourney due to the pandemic.
So a NBA team is going to give Lee a guaranteed contract? Curious who you see as his comp who was a first rounder this year or last?
If you just mean "a late 1st/early 2nd round pick from a low/mid-major school," I'd point to Ben Sheppard (26th pick). He played with Drew Friberg on a Belmont team that didn't even make the tourney, but his talent was clear and he did well in pre-draft activities.
But if you go back further, I would compare Lee to CJ McCollum - a super-smooth, lanky, 6-3 guard with crafty finishes at the rim and a great 3pt stroke. McCollum played for Lehigh in the Patriot League - very comparable league to ours - but was selected 10th overall.
I'm not predicting that for Lee obviously, but considering Xaivian is just a sophomore, he has plenty of time to boost his stock over the next 2.5 years. Especially if Princeton wins a couple NCAA tourney games over the next 3 dances.
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LocalTiger
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12-13-23 11:10 PM - Post#360628
In response to gokinsmen
We need to wait and see.
Lee is playing great, but he
has never started an Ivy League
game. The League has some
very talented point guards--
Lilly, Mbeng, Mack. Lewt's
see if Lee rises to the top.
Hope he does.
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CM
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Re: ankings, Ratings and Polls
12-14-23 06:35 AM - Post#360632
In response to gokinsmen
Lee is certainly intriguing and I tend to like that herky jerky style of guard play. Now he's more on my radar I'll look forward to seeing how he grows as a player/prospect.
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whitakk
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Re: ankings, Ratings and Polls
12-14-23 09:05 PM - Post#360687
In response to gokinsmen
I think we'd have to lose to an Ivy in the NET Top 100. And only Cornell fits that bill right now. At long last though, we are in the realm of possibility of a 2-bid Ivy.
But let's revisit this topic in March if we go into the ILT final with 1 loss. I'm skeptical that we can make it through the Ivy gauntlet without 2-3 losses.
It won't happen but if Princeton doesn't lose again until the Ivy tournament it'll be like a 7 or 8-seed.
Even with two more regular-season losses I'd bet they get in. Three (KenPom's actual projection) is probably too many but not unthinkable.
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SRP
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12-15-23 05:26 AM - Post#360693
In response to whitakk
Princeton is not getting an at-large bid under any circumstances. Even if they’d beaten St. Joe’s, have a miracle undefeated conference season, and lose the IL tournament final in OT on a 3/4 court buzzer-beater. Not gonna happen.
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ToothlessTiger
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12-15-23 11:28 AM - Post#360704
In response to SRP
SRP, kindly express your opinion more clearly, please?
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