TheLine
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11-14-23 10:44 PM - Post#359211
In response to SomeGuy
This is the first time in a while that Donahue has had a 4 who could shoot. Lucas had been mostly playing 4 and before that it was Max.
Donahue seems to be utilizing Holland and Laz similar to how he used Jaques back when he was at Cornell.
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PennFan10
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Re: villanova
11-15-23 04:09 AM - Post#359217
In response to 91Quake
I'm talking about this season. Not his freshman year. Not his sophomore year. Not his junior year. THIS year. Check the numbers then give me your insight.
Sure thing. THIS year he hit 3-4 FT in the last 15 seconds including 2 FT with 3 seconds left to extend the lead from 2 to 4 as we beat Villanova. Clark is an excellent FT shooter and probably the 1 guys SD wants at the line at the end of a game.
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Charlie Fog
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Re: villanova
11-15-23 07:19 AM - Post#359218
In response to PennFan10
I'm talking about this season. Not his freshman year. Not his sophomore year. Not his junior year. THIS year. Check the numbers then give me your insight.
Sure thing. THIS year he hit 3-4 FT in the last 15 seconds including 2 FT with 3 seconds left to extend the lead from 2 to 4 as we beat Villanova. Clark is an excellent FT shooter and probably the 1 guys SD wants at the line at the end of a game.
It just "feels" like he is not a good free throw shooter!
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Streamers
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Re: villanova
11-15-23 09:37 AM - Post#359223
In response to PennFan10
Sure thing. THIS year he hit 3-4 FT in the last 15 seconds including 2 FT with 3 seconds left to extend the lead from 2 to 4 as we beat Villanova. Clark is an excellent FT shooter and probably the 1 guys SD wants at the line at the end of a game.
You took the words right off of my keyboard.
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TheLine
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11-15-23 11:13 AM - Post#359227
In response to Streamers
FT shooting rates tend to be sticky from year to year.
Players sometimes improve their FT shooting - Fran Dougherty is an example. It's rarer that a player who has exhibited good FT shooting suddenly becomes bad.
It's highly likely Slacker had a couple of bad games and will revert to his established level.
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10Q
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11-15-23 11:35 AM - Post#359229
In response to TheLine
Slacker
Slacker rama
Slacker roony
Making copies
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PennFan10
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11-15-23 02:11 PM - Post#359232
In response to 10Q
Just so we are clear, prior to the last 15 seconds agains Nova, Clark was 1-5 from the line for the season. He is 4-9 now.
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SteveChop
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11-15-23 04:36 PM - Post#359236
In response to PennFan10
Clark is still the guy that I want shooting key free throws,
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OldBig5
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11-15-23 06:45 PM - Post#359238
In response to SteveChop
This Clark FT discussion is the ultimate small sample size argument. I am sure he will be fine with his FTs.
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OldBig5
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Re: villanova
11-15-23 06:48 PM - Post#359239
In response to jeromelh
Here I am, a Princeton guy watching the game. With 32 seconds left to go Penn is up by 4. WHERE ARE YOU GUYS??
That is funny that a Princeton guy started this thread. I did look once or twice during the game and like others did not want to jinx the game by starting it.
Watched bits and pieces and then the full replay last night. Great effort and obviously result. Villanova may not be at the Wright level but they still have lots of talent and are way more athletic tham Penn.
The only disappointing thing to me is SD only playing 8. I think over the course of a year he needs to be playing 10-11 guys. Gerhart was the one missing and maybe Sam Brown when he is recovered, McMullen for a few minutes seems OK also. Onward and upward.
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Cvonvorys
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Re: villanova
11-15-23 10:19 PM - Post#359275
In response to OldBig5
The only disappointing thing to me is SD only playing 8. I think over the course of a year he needs to be playing 10-11 guys. Gerhart was the one missing and maybe Sam Brown when he is recovered, McMullen for a few minutes seems OK also. Onward and upward.
What? You’re disappointed we only played 8? You think we still would’ve won if we played 11? You think if we played 11, we win by even more? Seriously? Over the course of the entire 40-minute game, if we miss one of our shots we made on offense and Nova hit one more 3-pointer…. WE LOSE! Which seems entirely possible when playing lesser players… Even for a few minutes each. But I’m pretty sure you won’t be disappointed on Saturday. I would expect to see at least 11 see floor time.
Question for the board: What was the most recent Penn game that was a “bigger win” than this one?
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SomeGuy
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Re: villanova
11-15-23 11:48 PM - Post#359282
In response to Cvonvorys
I think with the losses to injury/transfer/graduatio n it makes sense to play your core together as much as you can. So I’m perfectly comfortable with the 8. We’ll see whether Walter has actually moved ahead of Gerhart, or if that was just a matchup thing.
In terms of cohesion and playing together, this group is already cooperating on defense far better than the last two Penn teams. For whatever reason, they’re playing more as a team on defense so far.
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Re: villanova
11-16-23 01:59 AM - Post#359287
In response to SomeGuy
That might be a function of adding zone to the defensive toolkit. It's hard to play zone effectively without communicating. Maybe the improved communication will find its way to the man to man defense as well.
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TheLine
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Re: villanova
11-16-23 10:24 AM - Post#359297
In response to Cvonvorys
Question for the board: What was the most recent Penn game that was a “bigger win” than this one?
Penn won the Big 5 not that long ago.
2018-19 season.
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Mike Porter
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Re: villanova
11-16-23 12:51 PM - Post#359301
In response to TheLine
Question for the board: What was the most recent Penn game that was a “bigger win” than this one?
Penn won the Big 5 not that long ago.
2018-19 season.
Agree, that last win over Villanova was bigger. That was peak Jay Wright Nova. Over the last 9 years of Jay Wright as Coach of Nova, that was his only Big 5 loss. Something like 33-1 over that span (couple games missed over COVID season).
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OldBig5
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Re: villanova
11-16-23 10:19 PM - Post#359323
In response to Cvonvorys
The only disappointing thing to me is SD only playing 8. I think over the course of a year he needs to be playing 10-11 guys. Gerhart was the one missing and maybe Sam Brown when he is recovered, McMullen for a few minutes seems OK also. Onward and upward.
What? You’re disappointed we only played 8? You think we still would’ve won if we played 11? You think if we played 11, we win by even more? Seriously? Over the course of the entire 40-minute game, if we miss one of our shots we made on offense and Nova hit one more 3-pointer…. WE LOSE! Which seems entirely possible when playing lesser players… Even for a few minutes each. But I’m pretty sure you won’t be disappointed on Saturday. I would expect to see at least 11 see floor time.
Question for the board: What was the most recent Penn game that was a “bigger win” than this one?
I am talking about long term. The team faded last year down the stretch and in certain games.
And no I don't think playing another two guys two or three minutes each would have made much difference either way.
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OldBig5
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Re: villanova
11-16-23 10:20 PM - Post#359324
In response to TheLine
Question for the board: What was the most recent Penn game that was a “bigger win” than this one?
Penn won the Big 5 not that long ago.
2018-19 season.
He deleted that from his memory because it does not fit with his agenda.
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Cvonvorys
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Re: villanova
11-17-23 12:17 AM - Post#359328
In response to OldBig5
The only disappointing thing to me is SD only playing 8. I think over the course of a year he needs to be playing 10-11 guys. Gerhart was the one missing and maybe Sam Brown when he is recovered, McMullen for a few minutes seems OK also. Onward and upward.
What? You’re disappointed we only played 8? You think we still would’ve won if we played 11? You think if we played 11, we win by even more? Seriously? Over the course of the entire 40-minute game, if we miss one of our shots we made on offense and Nova hit one more 3-pointer…. WE LOSE! Which seems entirely possible when playing lesser players… Even for a few minutes each. But I’m pretty sure you won’t be disappointed on Saturday. I would expect to see at least 11 see floor time.
Question for the board: What was the most recent Penn game that was a “bigger win” than this one?
I am talking about long term. The team faded last year down the stretch and in certain games.
And no I don't think playing another two guys two or three minutes each would have made much difference either way.
So it’s your contention that you know more about coaching big time college basketball than coach Donahue? And you know more about the current Penn team than coach Donahue?
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OldBig5
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Re: villanova
11-17-23 07:05 PM - Post#359357
In response to Cvonvorys
I apologize profusely for questioning the coach's decisions here on the this message board. I know that has not happened before. I will be more careful.
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