JDP
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05-26-23 09:39 PM - Post#356472
Katie Collins 6-2 Forward Manasquan High School 2024 // Jersey Gemz EYBL 17U Committed
https://twitter.com/CollinsKatie_/status/ 166222684...
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JDP
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07-01-23 11:24 PM - Post#357071
In response to JDP
Ashna Tambe 5-7 PG/SG Team Lex Nation from Dallas and the Hockaday School
https://twitter.com/AshnaTambe/status/167 533028904...
Fair amount of offers:
https://twitter.com/AshnaTambe/status/161 332983226...
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AsiaSunset
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07-05-23 03:13 PM - Post#357089
In response to JDP
Just saw that WWB got a 3rd commitment: Reagan Jamison
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JDP
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07-05-23 07:09 PM - Post#357095
In response to AsiaSunset
Yes - Reagan Jamison 6’1 Guard from Camas Washington - close to Portland. NW Select.
https://twitter.com/reagan_jamison/status /16766568...
Known offers from Seattle - Cal Poly - Portland
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AsiaSunset
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Penn WBB 2024 Recruiting
07-06-23 07:11 AM - Post#357100
In response to JDP
I finally got a chance to take a peek. She looks pretty good. Those offers came after her sophomore season. She missed extensive time last year with a hip injury but returned just in time for the state tournament.
Evidently she’s had at least 10 offers including Penn and Columbia from the Ivy League.
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JDP
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07-14-23 03:50 PM - Post#357259
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https://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/...
Josh prodding some coverage on Reagan Jamison
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91Quake
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07-18-23 02:56 PM - Post#357304
In response to JDP
One more:
https://twitter.com/gabriella_2024/status /16811539...
Will Levis' cousin is a 6'2" F with offers from USF, Yale, Nevada that I saw. Prep Girls Hoops ranked her as #5 prospect from CA.
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JDP
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07-18-23 06:59 PM - Post#357309
In response to 91Quake
https://twitter.com/wcghoops/status/16813 212639550...
A strong class following a strong 2023 class
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CM
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07-19-23 08:08 AM - Post#357316
In response to JDP
Curious why you think the 2023 class was a strong one when it hasn't played a single game in college yet.
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JDP
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07-21-23 09:57 PM - Post#357350
In response to CM
Hi CM,
I fully agree that until one sees a recruit receive meaningful on court minutes and produce, one really does not know how a recruit’s game will translate to and develop at the college level. So much to learn, especially defense, and at what pace does a recruit grow as a player and person.
I am excited by Penn’s incoming freshman class – but why is this year different than any other year. Tracking their HS careers and the video that is available, I believe this class complements the current roster, and is a class that can be built around for the next four year cycle.
In Mataya Gayle (GA state champion and Miss Georgia basketball) and Ese Ogbevire, Penn has two recruits who are more in the style of traditional point guards – something Penn has not had since Grasela in 19/20. I have a strong bias for traditional point guards (all Penn’s recent championship teams Men or Women have been strong at PG) – but too your point, how long before they are effective being the on-ball defender from baseline to baseline and running the offensive scheme.
With Abby Sharpe, Penn has a two-time first team PA 6A recruit who also has won a PA state title. COBL write ups have been very positive and with Simone and Stina at the 3, Abby has time to develop into her role.
In Tina Njike - a 6-3 2023 center and Tobi Ademuwagun - a 5-11 wing, Penn adds physicality. But with Jordan and Floor the likely starters, both have time to develop. And then in the 24 class there is size in 3 & 4 slots with Reagan Jamison 6-1 Guard, Gabrella Kelly 6-2 Forward & Katie Collins 6-2 Forward. That should be a nice future rotation of bigs
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CM
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07-22-23 07:55 AM - Post#357351
In response to JDP
Well, recent history would indicate that starters will pay 35+ mpg and minutes for the young players will be limited to 1 or 2. The roster had plenty of size last year that never saw the floor. In fact, we have no idea how good many of the sophomores or juniors are since they have never played realistic minutes. For those of us who watched last year's Red/Blue game, Isabel Gomez showed real flashes of being a solid PG, but, again, she never played so we have no idea.
Also, word out of Philly is that one of the incoming freshman tore her ACL this summer so that's at least one 2023 who won't contribute.
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JDP
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Penn WBB 2024 Recruiting
07-22-23 12:22 PM - Post#357355
In response to CM
Part of my excitement for the season is that we should see a lot of new faces this season.
With Padilla (36 mpg) and McGurk (31 mpg) graduating there are a lot of minutes to be earned in the backcourt – preseason and the early season hopefully will be very competitive as players look to earn opportunities. Plus with the depth and talent at guard, there hopefully will be more instances to have intense defensive pressure in the backcourt while rotating players to keep them fresh.
At the wing there are options in each class – some more spot up three point shooters other that like to drive to the basket. Likely will be who is “hot” from range that night, and that game's match up.
Floor (30 mpg) & Jordan (32 mpg) as senior captains undoubtedly will see the majority of the time at the 4 & 5. To your point, there are openings for 15-20 mpg in the frontcourt for newer players as Sike and Faye have graduated.
Unless you are a prolific scorer, the one key item to get on the floor for Penn is the ability to play defense. Being yearly a top 10 in points allowed is not an accident – therefore, neither is who gets on the court.
Likely will post thoughts on the league when all the teams officially report their classes. But to ground my expectations: I believe Penn is a post season caliber team – both for Ivy Madness and the WNIT. There is a lot that has to jell for any of the four top teams (CHPP) over the course of the season and especially two days in March to make the NCAAs. I believe a realistic benchmark for this team (and any of the top four teams) as the season plays out is how competitive they are for a WBIT spot (likely need to be a top 95 team – so a 20 NET ranking improvement for Penn over 2022/23).
Edited by JDP on 07-22-23 12:25 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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CM
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07-22-23 01:40 PM - Post#357357
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I believe Penn will struggle to make Ivy Tournament next year and the lack of developing younger players will bite them hard. They ended the season playing very poorly last year and lost one of the best players in program history to boot. Depending on players who have never played real college minutes to help the team is a perilous prospect.
Meanwhile, Yale returns basically its entire roster, Columbia and Harvard did very well in the transfer portal, and Princeton is Princeton.
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JDP
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07-22-23 06:36 PM - Post#357359
In response to CM
In my league preseason rankings Yale is fifth. And they do return everyone, but Elles van der Maas. Great backcourt with Clark and McGill. Hopefully Lesmond are Grubman are recovered from their injuries and they could contribute to improving off a 13-14, 7-7 season. The squad is only 13 deep. So there could be some rotation issues (more so if we still palyed back-to back). For me the area to watch for Yale is the front court. Who is the defensive presence under the basket that supports all the other players and matches up against the opposition’s big. Yale ended the season 80 NET raking points behind Penn. Could they make that up, perhaps. And the season series between Columbia, Penn & Yale will likely decide 3-4-5. Brown is the wildcard. For Penn it will be how do they replace the 30 ppg from Kayla, Mandy and Sydnei. But these are the fun way before preseason debates – before we see who has elevated their game over the summer.
Edited by JDP on 07-22-23 06:37 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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CM
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07-23-23 07:13 AM - Post#357360
In response to JDP
The fact Penn will enter the season with no returning PG experience is a huge red flag. It's the hardest position for a young player to jump into, yet arguably the most important. Princeton, Columbia, Brown, Harvard, Yale all return their starting PGs, giving each a leg up.
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JDP
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07-27-23 07:29 PM - Post#357440
In response to CM
https://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/...
Melissa at COBL providing some coverage on Ashnu.
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AsiaSunset
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09-08-23 06:00 PM - Post#357874
In response to JDP
Number 5
Sarah Nakamura Miller
Guard from Arizona. Many mid major offers. Suffered ACL entering junior year.
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JDP
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Penn WBB 2024 Recruiting
09-08-23 08:58 PM - Post#357875
In response to AsiaSunset
https://twitter.com/smn2024/status/170022 717986558...
Sarah Nakamura Miller
5’11” ~ 2024 ~ G/PointF ~ Club: @SASwishHoops
EYBL - Highschool: Xavier College Prep ~ 4.25 GPA
Nice press going into Jr year: https://www.arizonapreps.com/its-miller-time/
Offer from ASU, And a lot of strong mid majors: Middle Tennessee, Pepperdine, Fresno State, Nevada, Long Beach State University, UC San Diego, Cal State University Bakersfield, UC Irvine, Portland University, Santa Clara, UC Davis, Cal State Fullerton
Edited by JDP on 09-08-23 08:58 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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CM
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09-09-23 02:14 AM - Post#357877
In response to AsiaSunset
Appears she did not play AAU this summer, nor HS last year, because of ACL injury. This has become something of a strategy for Penn WBB, looking for value players whose recruiting has been impacted by injury (almost always ACL). I know this worked out great for Harvard with Harmoni Turner, who was a 5 star recruit before her ACL injury.
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AsiaSunset
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09-09-23 08:18 AM - Post#357878
In response to CM
From what I saw she got hurt in June ‘22 but was back on the court playing this summer.
She made the All Arizona team her soph year so it will be interesting to see how you plays during her senior year.
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JDP
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09-09-23 11:52 AM - Post#357879
In response to AsiaSunset
Was playing AAU this summer: https://twitter.com/smn2024/status/168215 230284787...
As for Ivies having recruiting success with top players who were unfortunate to sustain a high school injury and have seen a drop in interest - that is a story as old as time.
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CM
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09-09-23 03:15 PM - Post#357881
In response to JDP
Ah yes, I was looking for the wrong name.
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Penndemonium
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09-09-23 04:24 PM - Post#357882
In response to AsiaSunset
I don't follow WBB closely, but it seems clear that it is possible to systematically recruit good balanced classes to Penn, even against HYP and national competition.
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CM
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09-10-23 02:13 AM - Post#357883
In response to Penndemonium
Don’t forget about Columbia, the school which crushed the transfer portal this year.
In theory Penn could compete in recruiting , but hasn’t and won’t. The recruiting world is very small and the number of girls each year considering Ivy’s is REALLY small. So it doesn’t take much to tip the scales one way or the other. Penn has done nothing to improve its status over the past 4-5 years. They haven’t beaten Princeton since 2019 and HYP coaches can explain to recruits why that is.
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Pete
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09-10-23 01:10 PM - Post#357886
In response to CM
Good afternoon
For those of us that are new and not as familiar with the history and current functioning of Penn Athletics can someone explain what is meant by Penn can’t and won’t improve on their recruiting?
Also in terms to men’s basketball was their recruiting that much better back in the day or did they really just have to out recruit one team? Lastly explain why other sports can play a full schedule and qualify for playoffs but football can’t or won’t in the Ivy League?
Thanks
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JDP
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09-10-23 11:00 PM - Post#357889
In response to Pete
The use of hasn’t and won’t were interesting word choices - hopefully just to elicit debate.
Since others may not have the perspective to understand your comments about the past 4-5 years in context:
From 2014-2019 Penn won three outright titles and has a 4th shared title with Princeton … over these seven seasons Princeton’s average Her Hoops rating was 31, Penn 61, Harvard 126, Yale 153, Columbia 251. Fairly good Ivy & National success for the Quakers and competitive with the Tigers.
In 2020 when COVID broke out, Penn was 2nd in the Ivies and 52 nationally in Her Hoops - Princeton was 6, Yale 71, Columbia 120 and Harvard 157.
In 2021, who knows what would have happened if the Ivies allowed competition, but Penn would have had a strong team with Eleah a senior, Kayla as Sophomore, Jordan as a Freshman and an experienced supporting cast.
In the past two post COVID seasons (22 & 23) Columbia and Harvard clearly have had greater success than Penn in the WNIT - Princeton goes to the 2nd round of the NCAAs. (Avg. Her Hoops Rankings: Princeton 25, Columbia 63, Harvard 90, Penn 154, Yale 176).
And the Lions, Crimson and Tigers will all be strong in 24 - it should make for a highly competitive season and one that is fun to experience.
But as for “won’t” and Penn’s prospects going forward, I truly don’t understand your negative view on the Quaker’s incoming freshman or the 2024 commitments. Again to help place your comments of “Penn has done nothing to improve its status” in context for those that don’t follow the women’s game as closely - two examples: Incoming freshman point guard Mataye Gayle was named Miss. Georgia Basketball, Georgia High School Basketball Coaches 6A Player of the Year and was a 2023 state champion …. Incoming freshman Abby Sharpe is a 2 time PA Sportswriters Class 6A First-Team All-State and was a 2022 state champion … who knows how any recruit will transition to the college game or the level of effort they will put in to advance their game over a four-year window, but bringing in 1st team GA & PA 6A players feels like doing something to improve its status.
Do I think it’s harder for BCCDP to directly recruit against HYP in any sport - sure, the financial aid differential is real for middle class families. So historically BCCDP need to find talent in other corners of the world than where HYP find talent - certainly harder today given all the AAU showcase events. Princeton and Harvard further have more successful institutional and alumni support for athletics - as evidence by winning ~50% of the Ivy titles since the league started in the 1950s. I don’t believe the playing field is truly level in the Ivies, and unless BCCDP can grow their endowment to HYP level or the scholarship lawsuit results in scholarship, some schools will have clear competitive advantages. Does not mean they will win all the time or other can’t have national level successes - but for now that just makes any Ivy title all the more sweeter.
Edited by JDP on 09-10-23 11:12 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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CM
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Re: Penn WBB 2024 Recruiting
09-11-23 03:21 AM - Post#357890
In response to JDP
In the summer of 2019, lead assistant Bernadette Laukiatis left Penn for the HC position at Holy Family. She had been the head recruiter and McLaughlin's lead assistant his entire run at Penn. The ensuing years have, as you say, seen Penn slide down Ivy ladder (and been getting regularly smoked by Princeton). Those two things are not unrelated.
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JDP
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01-09-24 01:29 AM - Post#361483
In response to CM
finding information on the progress of high school basketball student athletes is hit and miss - but some recent content on the five recruits:
Katie Collins
A lot of great box score lines – and defensive presences – averaging 12 & 6 for #6 Manasquan (10-1)
https://x.com/coachbarazotti/status /17441529027451...
Preseason #46 in NJ for Class of 24
https://twitter.com/EJayArrow/status/1716 946053625...
https://www.nj.com/highschoolsports/2024 /01/collin...
Reagan Jamison
https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/sports/camas-girl...
https://camasonian.com/18162/news/girls-bask etball...
Gabriella Kelley
Preseason #13 in CA for Class of 24
https://twitter.com/EJayArrow/status/1717 163231297...
Sarah Nakamura Miller
Nice accolades for Sarah coming out of the Nike Tournament of Champions - #3 ranked or 97 in Class of 24 from AZ
https://x.com/PGHArizona/status/173 937831377945440...
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/high-sch ool...
Ashna Tambe
Named a top PG in TX and eclipsed 1500 career points
https://x.com/VinayTambe10/status/1 741433357081477...
https://x.com/LoneStarPrepsTX/statu s/1740136741988...
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Re: Penn WBB 2024 Recruiting
01-09-24 12:38 PM - Post#361491
In response to CM
In the summer of 2019, lead assistant Bernadette Laukiatis left Penn for the HC position at Holy Family. She had been the head recruiter and McLaughlin's lead assistant his entire run at Penn. The ensuing years have, as you say, seen Penn slide down Ivy ladder (and been getting regularly smoked by Princeton). Those two things are not unrelated.
I was just going to ask what happened to Penn's WBB because they've really become non-competitive with the top of the league these last years. I was in person for the catastrophic 2017 loss to Texas A&M in the NCAAs (not sure I've ever seen a meltdown that bad, went from blowing them out to couldn't inbound the ball). Feels like we never recovered. Even the next two seasons pre-COVID Princeton was clear #1 and it has only been downhill from there. Doesn't seem to me this year is any different, so yeah... sounds like a familiar story.
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CM
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Re: Penn WBB 2024 Recruiting
01-09-24 03:03 PM - Post#361500
In response to Mike Porter
If you know where to look you can see this same thing happen at other programs, too - Oregon being a prime example right now. That is, the person who drives the program's culture is not the one sitting in the first seat on the bench. And it is really is about the culture - the types of payers who are brought in, the values within the team both on the court and off, and the ability to connect with the team. And when that person departs they take the secret sauce with them. It often takes a few years for the results to reflect the impact of the departure, though.
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JDP
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01-21-24 12:45 PM - Post#361949
In response to CM
Penn sixth recruit, Brooke Suttle – sister of Kennedy – a 6-0 wing from Campbell High School in Smyrna, GA
https://www.instagram.com/p/CqeFlSbuBqF/?igsh=b DJl...
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JDP
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Penn WBB 2024 Recruiting
03-03-24 02:11 PM - Post#364409
In response to JDP
Sat was also a great day for three of Penn's incoming class:
Sarah Miller(5 three pointers) and the Xavier College Prep Gators won the 2023-24 Arizona Girls Open Basketball State Championship
https://x.com/Mystreaux/status/1764 185967093747941...
Reagan Jamison (leading scorer with 17) and the Camas Papermakers won the 2023-24 won the Washington Class 4A Basketball State Championship
https://www.columbian.com/news/2024/mar/02/cama s-c...
Katie Colins (13 points) and the Manasquan Warriors won the Central Jersey Group 2 Sectional Title
https://highschoolsports.nj.com/watch/43381
Edited by JDP on 03-03-24 02:11 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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